Apple throttled your iPhone by cutting its speed almost in HALF!

He who is Jolly Roger said on 4 Jan 2018 22:23:50 GMT:

This is a good topic for adult logical discussion...

Title: How to take advantage of Apple's $29 iPhone battery replacement program right now URL: Quote: "There is no way to toggle Apple's hidden throttling on or off within the company's iOS software. Instead, the only way to disable an iPhone slowdown is to install a new battery in your phone."

This was already referenced in the iOS newsgroups here: Title: For anyone who still thinks the iPhone throttling isn't *permanent* - read this article URL:

He who is rickman said on Thu, 4 Jan 2018 14:57:04 -0500:

Hi rickman,

I too have been on Usenet since the early days, so we've seen groups utterly devastated by this cancer, such as what happened here:

And yet, not to the (somewhat) related newsgroup:

In many cases over the decades where we both have seen a newsgroup fall into the cesspool, it's only a *handful* of viciously angry posters who ruin the newsgroup for everyone else who is just trying to learn from the immense tribal knowledge of all the members of the group, as a whole.

I don't know, offhand, whether you come from the android side or from the electronics side (where I love Jeff Liebermann, who lives near me, but we've yet to meet fact to face), so I apologize for the behavior of the folks whom I call Apple Apologists (after having dealt with them for years and trying to figure out why they act the strange way that they do).

Of the Apple Apologists you're dealing with, here's a characterization:

1. nospam - by far - the most clever and most knowledgeable of them all
2. Jolly Roger - nonsensically consumed by his own vitriol and rage
3. BKonRamp - if you find him ever adding value - I'll send you money!
4. Savageduck - he is knowledgeable (hence useful) on digital photography but he hates iOS facts as much as the others - so he's unreasonable but still very useful because he's expert at digital photography REFERENCE:
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Overall, they're useful, where, in my killfile, even after two decades on Usenet, is only Snit (whom you haven't experienced yet, I think), who is a

*perfect* example of an Apple Apologists - in that he even created a public video attempting to "refute" my facts (which are always correct since they're all validated by references), which he trolled incessantly over 400 times, where even I had to plonk him.

You really need to listen to the first minute of this video before I tell you the key facts about these Apple Apologists (who are not normal people): Title: iOS showing Wi-Fi over time URL: Once you listen to the first minute of that video, you then need to know that the Apple Apologists here (nospam, Jolly Roger, BK, etc.) all *agreed* with him, numerous times. It's a fact iOS devices can't even graph Wi-Fi signal strength over time

For example, here's a direct quote from "nospam" on the facts I presented: "Harry can't back anything he says, mostly because it's false. what's even worse, he continues with his bogus claims after being proven wrong with actual facts (not the ones in his delusional head)."

Notice how the Apple Apologists (who are not normal adults), claim to have facts, and they claim to have been providing proof all along, and they do it in such as self-serving way that you have to wonder if they actually

*believe* a single word they utter (they're that different from normal people!)... But get this - none of them, even after all that vitriol, know the difference between a megabit and a decibel!

Yup. They whole time they've been just blatantly *fabricating* non-existent iOS functionality. Why? They hate the bearer of facts!

Here's how I tried to respond to the Apple Apologists (with facsts): "One look at the graph it outputs proves that it's just a speedtest app. The Apple Apologists insist it's a wifi signal strength app. Why when it's a fact iOS apps can't graph wifi signal strength over time? Meanwhile, the Android Fritz app clearly show Y-axis decibels (not Mbps). As does the Android WiFi Analyzer app wifi signal strength timeline:

The problem here, which I've noticed over the decades happens in spades in the Apple-related newsgroups, is that there is a clan of people who viciously hate the bearers of facts that they just don't like. What is wrong with the Apple Apologists that they deny even what Apple admitted?

So they react by *fabricating* functionality and then arguing for a billion posts that what they claim exists, actually exists (when, in fact, it does not). Just look at this thread, initiated by Jolly Roger himself: Apple Is Being Slandered For What Chemistry Cannot Fix

Any thread that deals with facts on the iOS newsgroups that the iOS apologists don't like, follows this same formula.

1. Someone states a valid fact about Apple that they don't like.
2. They deny the fact - almost always with childishly idiotic "logic"
3. More facts are provided in response to the fake denials
4. That incenses them so much they resort to vicious insults (JR)
5. Or they resort to extremely clever semantic contortions (nospam)
6. Or, they simply say that every fact is wrong (Savageduck)
7. And they pile on and high-five and support each other (JKonRamp)

Any casual reader of the thread gives up reading because of the cancer above (which is exactly their goal).

It happens every time. Just watch. Why do the Apple Apologists deny facts & habitually fabricate imaginary content?

That's the kind of people you're dealing with.

Years ago, I termed them "Apple Apologists"; but you can term them whatever you think is appropriate.

They are not like normal adults in that viciously and repeatedly attack the bearer of truthful facts they don't like.

He who is Fox's Mercantile said on Thu, 4 Jan 2018 14:39:11 -0600:

You have to realize whom you're dealing with when you deal with these Apple Apologists who claim everyone else is a troll but they themselves.

This single screenshot explains it all graphically in a way words can't:

One Apple Apologist trolled this video *over 400* times alone: itle: iOS showing Wi-Fi over time URL: ]

In that video, the Apple Apologist Snit claims that iOS does have the functionality that I proved long before it does not.

Worse - the Apple Apologists you're dealing with *congratulated* Snit for "proving Harry wrong" when, in fact, absolutely none of the Apple Apologists knew the difference between a decibel and a megabit!

And yet, there must have been at least *400 additional posts* where nospam claims to have proven it to us numerous times, and where Jolly Roger claims that we're all "old fools" for not believing their completely baseless claims. It's a fact iOS devices can't even graph Wi-Fi signal strength over time

So that's something like 800 posts, almost all of which are the Apple Apologists denying what is, to normal adults, obvious fact.

Why do the Apple Apologists act this way? I do not know the answer.

Every single time they post, I have to ask myself: a. Are they really clueless (they don't know a megabit from a decibel?) b. Or, do they do this on purpose (since they post it 800 times!)

I still don't know the answer to that question. Do you?

Wow! You think you understand the issues, but nothing you said was relevant. This is not really a technical issue, this is a business issue. Yes, batteries wear out with time and use. So do a lot of things. A properly designed product will take into account all the issues of using batteries. The bottom line is the phone was not designed properly to even have a 1 year working life without performance problems.

Your submarines have nothing to do with it.

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nospam wrote on 1/4/2018 5:39 PM:

Ok, you seem to think it is acceptable for a product to no longer meet specifications before it is out of warranty. I don't. We'll have to agree to disagree.

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nospam wrote on 1/4/2018 5:39 PM:

Yes, they were trying to extend the life of the battery until the warranty runs out. But to do that they had to sacrifice performance of the phone which impacted the usability. That's why it became an issue, the phones started slowing down for no clear reason.

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i said nothing remotely close to that, and nobody, not even apple, said it no longer meets specs within or without warranty.

only because you don't understand what's *actually* going on.

nope. they were extending it as long as possible.

nope.

what they did was tune it so that sudden shutdowns, a problem that had been occurring (and affects android too) would be reduced or eliminated.

nope. the reason is because the batteries are aging and no longer capable of sourcing sufficient current for *high* demand, not baseline.

as i said above, the alternative is a sudden shutdown, which is *worse*.

nospam wrote on 1/4/2018 9:20 PM:

I think we have found the point of disagreement. You seem to think the slowdown of the CPU performance had no impact on the usability of the phone. The articles I have read seem to indicate that was how the problem was discovered by users, the performance of the phone dropped off. No?

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Rick C 

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You're a broken record, old fool.

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JR

no, and the only article you should read is from apple itself, not random journalists, some of whom have an agenda. there's a lot of misinformation out there.

the slowdown only occurs with peak demands, not baseline performance, and only with a battery that has degraded over time (which they all do) to where it can't supply enough current for those peak demands.

the reason it's done is to avoid sudden shutdowns when the battery voltage drops too low when pushed too hard, which is *far* more annoying and also risks data loss and possible hardware damage.

when apple made the change last year, customers noticed a significant

*reduction* in sudden shutdowns. that's a good thing.

if the battery is healthy or the phone isn't being pushed hard (e.g., email, web surfing, text messaging, etc.), it's *highly* unlikely that anyone will notice a difference. most of those tasks are *not* cpu-bound, with the device waiting on the user to tap something or other.

keep in mind that all devices, including android, are susceptible to battery limitations, something the various articles neglect to mention.

one of *many* posts on the topic: Okay, I've had my phone for a few months now, and over the past week, it has been shutting itself down, even though there is plenty of battery left. It seems like when I'm "stressing" the phone alittle bit, I can reproduce the problem. For instance, it usually happens when I browse around and multitask - jumping from one app to another... Also, if i just load the game GTA III, which is somewhat heavy to run, it shuts off within 10 minutes, usually less. Also, I'm unable to reproduce the problem if I plug the phone to a power charger.

batteries have limitations. the way to avoid shutdowns is to limit peak demands so that the voltage doesn't drop to where the phone shuts off. there's no getting around the laws of physics and battery chemistry.

and there have been lawsuits too: The Nexus 6P lawsuit we previously reported on twice in April has been recently amended, and the venue of the suit seems to have changed to northern California. The latest filings have expanded the total number of actions in the suit from 10 to 23, with claimants hailing from 11 different states. ... ...some Nexus 6P's have been experiencing bootloops, a situation in which the phone doesn't correctly start, but sits unresponsively on

itself as the phone suddenly shutting down long before the battery indicator would predict.

*How is an adult supposed to deal with the Apple Apologist's odd behavior?*

Even today, just now, moments ago, nospam, probably the most informed of all the Apple Apologists, just posted this, which is patently false, and, in light of the entire thread of proof - one has to wonder: a. Is nospam really that stupid (and the answer is clearly no - he's smart) b. Then why does he claim fabricated iOS functionality as if it exists?

I don't know WHY the Apple Apologists aren't normal adults. But the fact is they lie as openly and as easily as if it's natural.

Here's what nospam just posted:

Verbatim quote from me: "It's a fact iOS devices can't even graph Wi-Fi signal strength over time" Verbatim response from nospam: "yes they can and you've been told how. why do you keep lying?"

*How is an adult supposed to deal with the Apple Apologist's odd behavior?*

And now he's talking to himself with two different nyms...

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JR

Batteries are not covered under warranty unless shown to be truly defective

- not just swear and tear.

Not as I read it.

It was discovered by the developer of a benchmarking program which collated the results of thousands of tests and noticed distinct peaks in results which matched different iOS releases. When he published his findings only then did people become outraged.

Users always complain of slowdowns, but that is hugely subjective and inverifiable.

I can see both sides of the argument. Apple were trying to extend the life of devices' batteries with minimal impact on users, although they did it in a slightly underhand way. They were trying to do the right thing and should have been more transparent about it.

It's not just an issue of transparency, if the user experience is being impacted to mitigate the problems of a battery that is degrading prematurely in order to avoid warranty replacements, that's a problem in itself.

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Rick C 

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I think a battery that prevents the device from running at full speed because the unit shuts down would be considered to be "truly defective".

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Rick C 

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Again, that's not what is actually happening. There's no evidence that Apple devices have widespread premature battery degradation.

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JR

Rick, You are logical and stating what any reasonable adult would state. But you're not dealing with normal thinking adults.

You have to remember whom you're dealing with, where the Apple Apologists (nospam and Jolly Roger and BK @ OnRamp.net being major Apple Apologists) will argue *any* semantic avenue they can.

They will state that nobody noticed. They will state that you should only read Apple MARKETING explanations. They will state that it was for the good of the consumer. etc.

You can *predict* everything the Apple Apologists will say because they act like a cornered rat would act, if that cornered rat were Apple MARKETING herself.

They'll never admit the truth. They'll twist out of the logical trap with clever semantic distortions. And, when all else fails, they'll outright tell boldfaced lies.

In addition, Jolly Roger (more so than the rest) will simply call any fact he doesn't like, a troll.

If you haven't already noticed this, then just continue what you think is an adult conversation with them ... and it *always* devolves to what I stated above (and worse).