Apple throttled your iPhone by cutting its speed almost in HALF!

You will learn two things about little Jimmy Newton very quickly:

1. It changes its name more often than a few here change their socks (those that wear socks).

1. It is looking for validation, not discussion.

Peter Wieck Melrose Park, PA

"It turns out to be a thermal problem. As the app is running the android battery temperature is rising. At 48 degrees android os has throttled down the cpu from 1.4 Ghz to 0.8 Ghz."

The difference is that the throttling isn't permanent. Unclear if the same behavior exists for all Androids.

Nope; the Apple feature only activates when the OS detects the battery is unable to provide needed voltage, which fluctuates and is not permanent or even constant. You've been fed a lie.

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it's not permanent on iphones either.

only *peak* loads are limited, where the battery can't source the necessary current. had that not been done, the phone would likely suddenly shut down.

the rest of the time, when the battery is not being pushed hard, there's no throttling because the battery is capable of providing the needed power.

all mobile devices vary cpu speed and other subsystems based on load.

to not do so is stupid.

He who is nospam said on Tue, 02 Jan 2018 13:38:29 -0500:

Apple Apologists seem to believe in the battery fairy.

Apple made big changes starting with the 7 with low power and high power CPU cores, and with the 8/X, The CPU has more dynamic management of which core is used.

So with the 8/X, there is a possibility that the "power management" will just limit processes to the low power cores instead of throttling the CPUs.

Apple knows how many amps are needed to run the phone, and how many amps older batteries of certain size can supply. If the needed amps with low power cores is less than what battery can supply, then no need for further throttling.

Articles are speculation. And limiting access to high power cores is a form of throttling anyways (except it doesn't actually slow down the CPU).

So few facts, so much time. Life's hard for an old troll!

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He who is Jolly Roger said on 2 Jan 2018 22:00:24 GMT:

Since you're an Apple Apologists, facts are invisible to you. You do believe in the battery fairy.

Meanwhile, the rest of us can see the fact that are *invisible* to Apple Apologists.

To wit... Apple Won't Stop Throttling iPhone Performance

That article clearly says Apple "won't stop" throttling of *all* newer iPhones after about one year to about half their original CPU speeds.

"The effective cost of buying an Apple device is significantly higher than it used to be, at least for people who keep their hardware more than a year"

"Apple acknowledges that it failed to properly inform users about the changes made in iOS 10.2.1 and the introduction of this throttling."

Another fact that the Apple Apologists will hate is that this is an Apple-only problem.

"Apple tries to dodge responsibility for its own smartphone designs" "This is an Apple-only issue."

Everyone (but the Apple Apologists) already knew that this problem is an Apple-created Apple-design problem, where *all* the major Android manufacturers have gone on record publicy asserting

"Android phones do not perform this kind of throttling".

Remember, this is an Apple-caused Apple-designed Apple-only problem, despite nospam's clever hands-caught-in-the-cookie jar Apple Apologists' attempt at saying Android manufacturers also *secretly*, *permanently*, and

*drastically* throttle CPU speeds of their phones after only one year of ownership.

Everything I state is a fact; but facts are invisible to Apple Apologists.

He who is JF Mezei said on Tue, 2 Jan 2018 16:44:02 -0500:

JF Mezei, You're one of the rare people on this newsgroup who can converse like an adult, so I appreciate that you bring up this great point.

There's *something* different about the iPhone 6's and 7's that Apple felt the need to secretly permanently reduce the CPU speeds to less than half the original in just a year - so - we would *hope* that Apple figured out what it is that only the Apple CPUs exhibit that kills the batteries in a year.

Let's *hope* they made those changes - but - if they did make those changes, then why do they definitely throttle the iPhone 7?

And why did they *say* they would throttle *all* their phones in the future?

Both those are facts.

So if Apple did "improve" the power - why are they still throttling and planning to throttle the exact phones you say have power improvements?

Those two facts don't mix well.

This would be *great* if it is true. I *hope* it is true.

But then we have to wonder why Apple clearly said they would throttle *all* their phones going forward.

Maybe ... and this is just conjecture ... Apple wants to settle the court cases out of court so they don't want to give the court cases ammo by admitting wrongdoing ... so maybe that's why Apple *said* they would throttle moving forward (as if that's "normal" for phones).

Dunno. All I can say is that if they did "fix" the power management, then they wouldn't need to throttle the newer phones - but they clearly said they would throttle them. So the facts don't line up.

I think Apple learned a lesson here which is they should test their phones in the real world - and where the real world happens to include weather colder than it gets in Cupertino and where the real world happens to be "aged" batteries of at least the warranty period of 1 or 2 years.

I'm with you that Apple will likely *fix* this problem because they know that people have to be thinking that they pay $1000 for an iPhone X and in just one year, it's an iPhone 1/2X in terms of CPU speeds. That's horrid.

Nobody wants half an iPhone X in just one year!

So Apple *has* to fix this problem. Remember, despite the FUD that the Apple Apologists (e.g., nospam & Jolly Roger) try to spew, this is an Apple-only problem.

So Apple needs to understand what they did wrong, and how to fix it.

To me, the Occam's Razor answer is they need more realistic battery sizing or actual "dynamic" (and not just "legally semantically dynamic that is actually permanent" speed optimization), but, we have to let Apple figure that one out for themselves.

Actually, that's *not* speculation. Apple said it themselves. So it's just the article saying a fact which is what Apple said it would do.

I suspect that Apple is playing a clever game (as always), which is that they will vehemently deny wrongdoing all the while trying to combine the court cases into a single case that they can settle out of court.

I posit that once they settle out of court, they're free to actually finally admit the truth and fix the problem - but until then - they can't be open (because anything they admit will be used in court against them).

In the end, I think Apple has an *easy* problem to solve which is so easy to solve that it's not funny. But this is a long post so we can leave the solution to later.

He who is harry newton said on Wed, 3 Jan 2018 05:15:18 +0000 (UTC):

Here's what I posit is the easy solution to this Apple-only problem.

1. They will never come clean until they settle the court cases - it's just not realistic to expect them to tell the truth - so we can expect all sorts of cleverly crafted statements like that so-called apology until and unless the combine the court cases and settle them out of court.
2. Once Apple clears that legal hurdle (which will cost them something like five or ten million dollars and some nearly worthless incentive to consumers, like free batteries or reduced-price batteries in the future or discounts on new phones or whatever) ... then Apple can work on a truthful "fix".
3. The most truthful fix is to eliminate the mandatory throttling - which is to allow the user to decide if they want half an iPhone X in one year or not. But of course, that will kill the batteries if the consumer doesn't opt for half an iPhone X.
4. Hence, the next-most truthful fix is to fix the batteries or to fix the Apple-only Apple-created problem with power management of those batteries.

Notice if Apple opts for the power management fix, then it's likely going to be implemented in the next revision *after* the iPhone X because it might involve changing how they streamline the CPU loads.

If Apple opts to fix the batteries, that has its own problems such as the back of the phone might need to be enlarged to fit the bigger batteries. If they can squeeze a better battery out of the current size, then that's fine

- but it's likely not gonna happen - so they have to increase the size of the phone which will invite all sorts of lawsuits in and of itself.

In the end, Apple *knows* all this - which is why they secretly, drastically, and permanently chopped CPU speeds in half after just one year of use in those phones. It was the easy way out of the Apple-created Apple-only design problem.

The good news is that Apple can make a trade-in of the old phone with the newer (perhaps slightly bigger) phone as part of their settlement of the lawsuits. Apple has plenty of money so that is the option that is probably the best for all concerned.

But if Apple continues to attempt to weasle their way out of this Apple-only Apple-design problem with lies, subterfuge, and secrecy, then they will lose a *lot* of customer goodwill (which should be important to them).

Most of the above is conjecture - so please consider it part of an adult perspective on the facts in your adult response.

Get some new material, old foolish troll.

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Disabling the high power/speed cores when battery is bad would be a form of throttling (visible when doing a speed test which would be the type of application that would noprmally go on the high power core).

We'll just have to see what apple does for iPhone 2018 models. (Whether it grows battery capacity such that after 2 years, the battery is still good enough to power the phone in cold weather) or whether this is still done through software throttling.

of view, they may be in the clear. (although for the first battery,

I am pretty sure Apple has known for quite some time. They will just have to break the news to Jony Ive who won't be able to make his baby thinner in 2018.

On the plus side, bigger batteries will give more autonomy as well as proviode enough amps when cold.

It's not that easy. If only they could shrink that huge taptic engine to what it used to be like before (a small vibrator). Marketing might not like that.

Apple could grow the smaller phones a bit to allow bigger battery. I have to wonder at what stage the iPhone 9 is at right now and wether it is too late or not to make such a change.

He who is JF Mezei said on Wed, 3 Jan 2018 01:59:01 -0500:

Yup. Apple has to do *something* because nobody wants their $1000 iPhone X to turn into an iPhone 1/2X in just one year.

Apple *knows* what the problem is, and they *knew* the problem when they decided to secretly slip in the CPU halving in the first place.

That they resorted to a drastic move that nobody else has ever done for a smartphone is a very strong indicator that a "real" solution is a new design.

So I agree with you on your logic that Apple must do something so that this Apple-only design problem doesn't happen with the 2018 iPhone models.

It's been proven already that Apple wasn't aware of the low-temperature issues so it's just yet another piece of the puzzle that clearly indicates Apple doesn't test their devices thoroughly enough.

What Samsung implemented for batteries is sort of what Apple needs to implement for their phones - which is a rigorous testing system that simulates what would happen in a year.

Remember, Apple said they were totally blindsided by the iPhone 6 problems, which simply means they didn't test it because they were common.

That's a pretty accurate assessment that I agree with. If anything, they need thicker phones, where their "legal remedy" from lawsuits might be a trade-in program for a phone that works for more than a year but that has to have a thicker case.

I agree with you that Apple *knows* all the possible solutions which is why they came up with the genius idea that they implemented, got caught, and apologized for (although their so-called apology was a soothing farce).

Yup. My battery is 7,000 mAh. It lasts as long as I need it to last. And when it's dead, I just pop in another.

I agree with you that better batteries is what they need, and they know this, which is why they decided not to and to just do their secret trick.

They can't do the secret trick anymore, so, they'll have to fix the design problem moving forward. Let's hope they fix it for 2018 models and that they offer a new-design trade-in program for the previous iPhones.

I suspect that's what their out-of-court settlement will end up being: a. A penalty b. A trade-in for the customers to a design that actually works

Well, it's not that easy if they want to keep the phones thin, but remember this is an Apple-only problem so they can do whatever it is that the Android manufacturers do and they won't have this problem.

So they can fix the design if they want to.

For the existing phones, it's pretty easy for them to just design a thicker back and thicker battery, and that might solve their legal issues if they offer a trade in. People might accept a bigger phone if it's the same phone, essentially, but with the battery that works with it for more than just one year.

I pity all those $1000 iPhone X owners who will have an iPhone 1/2 X in just one year. Apple can't afford to alienate those customers who pay the most. It might be why shipment forecasts are down 20 million from 50 million to 30 million. Dunno.

But if I was in the market for a $1000 iPhone X, and I knew it would be an iPhone 1/2 X in just a year, I wouldn't plunk down $1000 for a phone with that time-lapse halving "feature".

I'm going to agree with you and posit that the simplest solution is a bigger battery. Of course, Apple already knew this, which is why they came up with their simplest solution (which was to secretly halve the cpu).

Since they can't secretly halve the CPU anymore (they'll lose customers if they continue that shady practice) - they have to do *something*, and that something might be a bigger battery.

What I think is *easy* for Apple, given they have more money than God, is just to make a trade-in for existing owners of a phone with a bigger battery, and that will go a long way toward solving their self-created legal troubles.

Once they get that backlog of legal troubles resolved, moving forward, all they havfe rto do is implement what the Android people do, since this problem is an Apple-only problem.

That's why the solution should be easy for them - since it's already solved on the Android side. It's a self-created Apple-only problem that Apple can easily solve if they want to solve it.

As you said ... we'll know in the future... so this is just conjecture. I do appreciate that you speak as an adult would, and not as an Apple Apologist would. That's refreshing for this newsgroup.

nope. it's a battery chemistry issue which affects android and any other device that uses a battery.

there is *no* avoiding it. *every* battery ages.

what's up that samsung ? ... My phone shuts down at 50% I don't know what to do ?? ...

shutdowns at levels as high as 80%. Most notably during camera usage,

... A buddy of mine recently took note of something similar, especially when using his camera as well. He ended up disabling Instagram and the boomerang feature, and that did the trick for him on the random restarts or shutting down. Not sure how that was even related, just what he told me.

it's related because those apps were causing the battery to be pushed beyond its limits, exactly the same as with iphones, at which point, it shut down.

In each case, I was using it in some kind of high battery drain function... either watching a movie or running GPS software. In two of the three cases, this was started right after unplugging the phone from the charger for the night, so I had a full charge, but suddenly, without warning the phone just shuts off dead. No power down animation, no nothing... just goes cold black dead. In each case, I know I've had about 60-75% battery left just before it died.

When I power up the phone, it beeps low battery, and say I have between 1-3% power left and eventually powers down from low battery. ... I had this issue as well. New battery fixed it, hadn't happened since. ... Had this exact problem. Never had any battery issues until the JB upgrade. Tried Factory Reset and that didnt help. ... my S2 just shuts off without any notification and doesn't start until i plug it to the charger and switch it on. This mostly happens after 2 minutes of playing games,listening songs or downloadin an app. What should I do? Please help me ... My phone is a HTC Desire S, which I upgraded to Android 4.0.4 a few months ago (official update). The shutdowns and extreme power drainage startet about a week ago. With a full battery my phone reliably shuts down less than 5 minutes into a game. Then upon reboot it reports ~6% battery life and often shuts down again. ... My Galaxy J7 suddenly shut down, and could not restart by pushing the power button. ... My mobile switches off even at 70-80% of charging.and it doesn't switch on even when I switch it on.

My Sprint Note 4 (running 5.1.1) has been working without issue for the past year, but a strange power/battery/something issue happened yesterday and today.

Both days, around the same time (between 5:00-6:00pm) my phone has decided that it no longer has a charge and shuts off. Yesterday, the phone went from roughly 35% > 10%, which alerted me of low charge > 0% and shutting off within around 30 seconds. ... That's funny. My AT&T Note 4 does the exact same thing. ... My note 4 does similar. I get maybe 1.5 hours of use out of it, then at 30% boom it shuts down. Plug it in and it shows zero percent.

30% after 1.5 hours of use (ignoring the shutdown problem)? hah. iphones can easily get 1.5 *days* of use.

I know Apple became aware of battery problem for 6s by March/April 2016, so barely 6 months after product launch. Staff were instructed to tell customers that it was normal for thw 6a to shutdown in cold.

By October, Apple Support was instructed to get customers to run the remote diagnostics suite (with results sent back to Apple). And by end of November, the battery recall was launched. (2016).

That recall was premised on a bad batch of batteries, so the customers were given expectation that new battery would permanently fix problem. It didn't.

Note that the "bad batch" did age much faster and exhibited the problem within 5-6 months of product launch.

I am pretty sure that engineering within Apple would have been aware that the battery was undersized for the type of power loads of the 6s once you factopr in reduced battery amperage capacity as it ages. And it is likely that marketing overruled this for the sake of keeping the 6s as thin as the 6, making it sturdier (back pocket bending gate) and adding a bigger taptic engine.

They were not blindsighted. The bad batch simply made a problem they would have been aware of surface well before they had predicted.

With the then expected replacement cycle of 2 years, they likely figured that the average onwer might expect a couple of cold shutdowns during the winter of year 1, and as phone would be replaced in fall of year 2, wouldn't get the bad shutdowns on year 2.

Suspect they underestimated how soon the problem would surface.

BTW, one possible solution is similar to electric cars: Put a heater in/under the battery.

Funny how the 6s PLUS doesn't have that. Same battery chemistry. Same CPU and components. Oh, but while same chemistry, it has BIGGER Battery which means that it is able to supply my amps than the small battery when cold/old.

All phone may have smame/similar battery chemistry, but how the battery is sized relative to power consumption needs of the phone makes a huge difference.

The bigger Android phone have mega battteries like 5000-7000mAh compared to the ~1750 on the 6s.

What this all comes down to is a chemistry/battery aging issue that Apple d id a piss-poor job of explaining to its customers. Not some grand conspirac y, not some plot to force Apple users to purchase a new phone - I would pos it that 90% of their customers did not notice one whit of inconvenience or trouble.

But, that did not stop our schizophrenic OP from attempting to start his pe rsonal tempest in a virtual teapot. And with a little "poor me" thrown in.

Peter Wieck Melrose Park, PA

it absolutely does