OT! OT! Not in Arizona

----------------------------- We know that. But that's history, not divine ordinance. Much later they found perfectly "legal" 'separate but equal' to be UN-equal!

------------------------------ Nope, the Courts INTERPRET the law, which includes invalidating law whenever something extraneous contradicts the body or principle of law.

----------------------------- It's merely a token, but it is this kind of public presentation that blows the old stale wind aside, and will be seen later as the knock upon the door just before it opens!

-Steve

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But enjoy it, just the same ;-)

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-------------- The error America made was coupling info gathering with black and wet "ops", so that 'spy' gained a bad name. If all your people do is find out things and reveal them to the world there isn't much the enemy can say about such a high ground. This was once the CIA's job, till parts of it were hijacked for active sabotage by the cold warriors.

---------------------------- The Left knows that we need information, but there was no way to cut just one leg off the CIA, just like you need to cut all legs equally for a shorter stool to work properly.

--------------------------- We need the CIA to be re-habilitated and converted to only an information gathering body, and not an arm of the white houses' secret military and fith column operations.

----------------- You just managed to say precisely nothing except to fit your cutesy illiterate slurs into a paragraph.

A treaty with Korea is better than nuking it, as long as we can get away with NOT nuking it. They can do us little harm until we have to nuke them, so anything else to delay or prevent is merely gravy.

------------------- The CIA has turned a blind eye to the middle east for a VERY long time now, it was never taken seriously as a threat to the USA till 9/11 and was considered on a peripheral interest. We need many more people who are listening to those regions and can speak their languages fluently. We had so few people who could speak to locals in Afghanistan that we nearly had to start a secret program to train them, and that should not be, but that would have been true under any administration, it was the nature of our previous foreign policy concerns, it was inevitable.

------------------------- Put away your slander, cold warrior, we're done with you, the world is far more complicated than your juvenile analysis. Socialism and Communism are the shape of future government everywhere, and that includes here unless the USA goes backward, which it never has.

The French were stupid, cowardly, and deceitful LONG before they had a great interest in the only way to make life work in central Europe with no great natural resources and an educated population used to first world advantages. That way is Socialism, and shall ever be moreso as the petroleum runs out EVERYWHERE!

---------------------- YOU REALLY mean it is the few remaining CAPITALISTS hiding in the old Socialisms of Europe who have been conniving for profits elsewhere that they can't obtain legally at HOME anymore!

------------------- The French were stupid and cowardly and deceitful back when they were staunch Capitalists all!! The need for life to be more Socialized in Europe is merely a need of the times, not some notion in the French genome! And the greed that seeks profits by deceit are NOT AT ALL representative of Socialism, but of the remaining criminal Capitalists who have so far been allowed to hide within Socialism, and will NOT be tolerated in the Communism to come!

-Steve

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Remember -- the KGB and Eastern Block was much worse. The big problem that we have is that our leftists had been short sighted (and out of typical self-hatred of freedom/America.) Specifically disadvantaging the American intelligence agencies has been an ongoing activity of leftist inspired mismanagement of intelligence.

It is VERY CRITICAL for the intelligence agencies to be able to integrate their information, while also do appropriate secret operations. Artificially limiting the CIA and creating too many operational firewalls is a very clear and obvious attempt to weaken US intelligence related efforts.

NO WAY should our intelligence and 'spy' agencies be run without appropriate oversight, but too many unqualified (usually leftist-types) officials try to apply their misguided sensibilities and end up risking the lives of American civilians. It would be VERY GOOD for the officials who weakened the CIA (esp Carter, Clinton and Frank Church (RIP)) to be reviewed for their mistakes and perhaps even for their motivations. This should ONLY to inquire into their mistakes, and try to understand their defective decisions. I am NOT trying to blame them, but to try to apply quality control to their incompetency, so that we don't make the mistakes again. It is pretty clear that Kerry is very likely to also be mistake prone, and is apparent PTSD damage from Vietnam has caused him to be more destructive than he would have otherwise been.

Note that our intelligence gathering isn't just the CIA. Also, the CIA was severely damaged by our leftists. (The CIA certainly needs to be managed, but the obvious leftist preference for anti American zealotry instead of pro-America protection has left us with some serious problems.)

Remember: the KGB and the CIA (and other organizations) were indeed fighting a war. There is nothing wrong with that scheme -- unless you would wish to give advantage ONLY the enemies of the USA?

The current infrastructure had certainly been left a mess by the previous administration, and the current administration is fixing the problems...

The biggest problems that we do have are related to a purposeful leftist attempt to disadvantage the American intelligence infrastructure. These problems are being remedied.

Certainly, full intelligence reviews are critical, and proper management of the intelligence (spy, secret operations, etc) agencies is critical. Just like the case where someone who faints from blood shouldn't do a medical procedure on someone, it is also true that an incompetent leftist (or wakko-nuke-em right winger) shouldn't be trusted to manage our intelligence.

We have seen ALOT of damage from the Clinton/Church/Carter types, and it is frightening to see that Kerry seems to be the Democrat candidate (instead of a competent individual like Bayh or Lieberman.)

John

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John S. Dyson

I read in sci.electronics.design that Bill Sloman wrote (in ) about 'OT! OT! Not in Arizona', on Tue, 17 Feb 2004:

It changed its name a while back to ill-informed.either-wing.drivel

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John Woodgate

I read in sci.electronics.design that John Larkin wrote (in ) about 'OT! OT! Not in Arizona', on Tue, 17 Feb 2004:

As related by Hamlet, yes.

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So *that* is why he is posting here again.

------- Bill Sloman, Nijmegen

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Bill Sloman

I read in sci.electronics.design that Mark J. wrote (in ) about 'OT! OT! Not in Arizona', on Tue, 17 Feb 2004:

It's a foreign plot! 'Comcast' is an anagram of 'Mosc[ow] Cat'!

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Cheers! Rich

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