mineral oil

hi, im gonna make a high voltage generator, with 2 auto ignition coils producing 120kv with an input of about 5000 watts. A documented problem with theis setup is that the oil inside the coils starts boiling quite quickly. SO I was thibnking,

a. How do they produce hi voltage generators for sustainable use?

b. WOuld immersing the coils in mineral oil help?

c. WHere can I get mineral oil (without drilling a hole in the local pole transformer) and how much would it cost

d. COuld I use kerosene or canola oil?

Thanks

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Arpit
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With careful design to prevent arcing. BTW, is your life insurance paid up?

The coil is already immersed in mineral oil inside the can. Buy one with the fins on it to dissipate the heat.

With your luck, you'd drill a hole in a pole pig that's filled with PCB laden oil. Oops! If I were you, I'd ask these questions on one of the tesla coil builders' forums where they make their own high voltage capacitors. They immerse those in mineral oil. And they have some practical tips on dealing with high joltages. Also, do a google search for Marx generators. Here are a few.

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Probably not pure enough, and wouldn't have the high dielectric strength. Besides, it burns. :-O

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If you drive an ignition coil with a sine wave it will not last long. They are not rated for continuous use.

It is unlikly that you will find any oil other than the proper stuff that will do your job. The main reason for this is the purity of the oil. The oil used in electrical transformers and switchgear is seriously pure.

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Mjolinor

By spending *lots* of money on special insulation, cables, components, transformers, and product liability insurance.

A 120kV, 5kW PSU would probably set you back 5 figures (If they'll sell you one).

If it's water-free, high-voltage transformer oil, certified for use at

120kV with the proper separation of conductors, and circulated cooling, since you'll get heating due to dielectric losses. You'll need to change it every few months. You'd probably be better using air insulation, but it needs to be dry air. Better still, vacuum.

Specialist oil suppliers. A grade good enough to do what you want will cost plenty.

Not unless you want to die in a particularly nasty way.

I wouldn't advise taking on a project like this unless you are an experienced engineer and know what precautions to take. I certainly wouldn't even put a graduate on it without experienced supervision. This is serious shit.

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ABEX have some second hand glassman stuff with external stack that is in the required zone.

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I do not think that any ignition coil I have ever seen is rated for 2.5KW, I doubt your approach will work.

Also you occasionally see Xray transformers on EBAY which may be a better way to go.

Indeed, plenty of ways to die spectacularly here.

Regards, Dan.

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dmills

You can get mineral oil at the local pharmacy in quart or pint sizes.

It is possible to make power supplies and power transformers up in the many hundreds of kV's. The power companies are doing this for the mass power distribution around the county. They do not use ignition coils, food oils, or fuel oils.

Oil cooling is used in many of the large transformers. The oil has a lot of mass, and is hard to heat up. There are a number of types of oils that have been developed for this purpose. When overheated or hot, oil is very difficult to cool down!

When making oil cooled transformers, there has to be no contact with the air. The oxygen component is a factor to consider. If you do not do things correctly, there are many safety issues here. An oil fire is one of the most difficult types to put out.

Kerosene, is a fuel, and Canola oil can also be highly flammable. You DO NOT want to use these! You need an oil with a very high breakdown temperature and high ignition point, so electrical sparks or arcing will not easily ignite it.

One of the best oils that were made for this, and is no longer available were the PCB's. These ended up to be a terrible environmental hazard, thus were outlawed. But, it was the best oil that they ever had for transformers. In many of the older devices, up to about the early 70's many electrical components had some form of PCB's with them from the manufacture process.

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"Arpit"  wrote in message
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hi, im gonna make a high voltage generator, with 2 auto ignition coils
producing 120kv with an input of about 5000 watts. A documented
problem with theis setup is that the oil inside the coils starts
boiling quite quickly. SO I was thibnking,


a. How do they produce hi voltage generators for sustainable use?

b. WOuld immersing the coils in mineral oil help?

c. WHere can I get mineral oil (without drilling a hole in the local
pole transformer) and how much would it cost

d. COuld I use kerosene or canola oil?

Thanks
Reply to
Jerry G.

Just to add on a few things... What you want to undertake is not very safe. Using ignition coils from automobiles will most likely not get you anywhere to the voltages you are looking for. They will have a breakdown at about 30% over their voltage rating. Ignition coils must be pulse driven, which is also dangerous for handling. If you feed one a sign wave, it will not last very long.

Oil used in the power distribution transformers is a very pure form, and must be in an isolated environment where there is no contamination. The transformer device must be very well sealed, and not allow for external oxygen from the outside atmosphere.

The proper transformers for this type of voltage output are very expensive, heavy, and dangerous to handle. I would doubt very much that the suppliers would even sell you a power distribution transformer, unless you were working with an authorized engineering consultant, and licensed technical staff, that are approved by the state or country you are in.

As I said in a previous posting, kerosene is a fuel, and canola oil are also very dangerous for fire. An oil fire is difficult to put out if you cause one. Mineral oil can be purchased at a pharmacy (drugstore or chemist ship).

I have seen the results of oil filled transformers that have burned up. This is a disaster when it happens! I would not start this type of experimentation at home. It should be done in a proper safe environment under experienced supervision.

If you do this at home, first find out if your insurance company will cover you, and that you have good family medical coverage (maybe worse coverage will be necessary). Also enquire about the legal aspect in your area. If something happens and you survive, you can be held responsible.

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"Arpit"  wrote in message
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hi, im gonna make a high voltage generator, with 2 auto ignition coils
producing 120kv with an input of about 5000 watts. A documented
problem with theis setup is that the oil inside the coils starts
boiling quite quickly. SO I was thibnking,


a. How do they produce hi voltage generators for sustainable use?

b. WOuld immersing the coils in mineral oil help?

c. WHere can I get mineral oil (without drilling a hole in the local
pole transformer) and how much would it cost

d. COuld I use kerosene or canola oil?

Thanks
Reply to
Jerry G.

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