A most interesting item of note: Did you notice that when someone has a reasonable, cogent, practical set of ideas, and advocates some kind of 'independent' thought, that the lefties will call that person any name EXCEPT liberal or leftist? In essense, the lefties tend to trick themselves into calling honest/intelligent/successful people ANYTHING except leftist?
An anathema to most of the left and the far right is when ideas are expressed that are 'reasonable' and respectful and truly accepting of different cultural ideas. The leftists do tend to wish to expunge all ideas except for their own narrow minded views of reality. The far-right is similar in some ways, but luckily they have little control over the prominent educational establishment or significant editorial control in the general mainstream media. Oh so horribly, the left does have too much influence in those critical constituents of freedom -- and the left works aggressively to suppress alternative ideas. (A perfect and simple example is the aggressive suppression of speeches by right-wing (not just far-right-wing advocates.)
In actuality, you'll find the right-wing (non-far-right) to be much more tolerant and liberal than most of the left wing (in the US.) So, the terminology: liberal, isn't really an accurate description of the American left. The American left tends towards reactionary, intolerant/doctorinare and narrow-minded conservative.
If you look at 'Archie Bunker', but insert leftist ideas into his mind -- you'll find the typical leftist like Slow-man nowadays.
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My, my, if you were a Senator, the filibuster would never end. First I'd like to say that before we get into how far "right" or "left" someone is, we must look at the 2 main methods with which politics is viewed. (1) There is the "Me" factor, which most of the public uses. How what the government affects "ME", and (2) The overall affect of the same on the sociological and financial well-being of the nation in general, or moreover, the entire world. The question remains. How many of the "ME"'s have enough knowledge of the sociological and financial fabric of the nation to even decide whether to be "left", "right" or "far-right", and how many politicians are there that are remotely dedicated to upholding that fabric? There is a fine line between stability and instability, and who among us has the intelligence and education in such matters to ensure that line is not crossed. Many times it is, but sometimes a compromise is necessary in order to bring an issue that has crossed that line back into perspective. For me, specifically, the consideration concerning Medicare and Prescription Drugs "is" very important. I am on Disability, and I have prescriptions that cost quite a bit. I am all for a plan that will help me to acquire these drugs, even if most of the nation works and has a plan through their employers. If we're going to discuss politics, at least pick a topic that can be discussed. All this talk of "right and left" gets us nowhere. It's been going on too long, probably since the US became a country.
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If you choose not to participate, then who is it who leaves you high and dry?
Get into the action. I was a Forbes delegate candidate in the 2000 primary. (Had he won my district I would have been a delegate at the convention.) At least I have a great souvenir: a presidential primary ballot sheet with my name on it!
Question to panel of 2000 primary candidates: "Who is your favorite philosopher?"
Bush: "Jesus Christ" Keyes: "Jesus Christ" Forbes: "I like John Locke."
My man! But where were people like you?
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Immanuel Kant was a real pissant Who was very rarely stable.
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Immanuel Kant was a real pissant who was very rarely stable.
Heidegger, Heidegger was a boozy beggar who could think you under the table.
David Hume could out consume Wilhelm Friedrich Hegel,
And Wittgenstein was a beery swine who was just as sloshed as Schlegel.
There's nothing Nietzsche couldn't teach ya 'bout the raisin' of the wrist.
Socrates himself was permanently pissed.
John Stuart Mill, of his own free will, after half a pint of shandy was particularly ill.
Plato, they say, could stick it away, 'alf a crate of whiskey every day!
Aristotle, Aristotle was a bugger for the bottle, and Hobbes was fond of his Dram.
And Rene Descartes was a drunken fart: "I drink, therefore I am."
Yes, Socrates himself is particularly missed; A lovely little thinker, but a bugger when he's pissed.
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--------------------------- What the right gets isn't a "bum rap", it's the Truth. And the legend of PC was invented by rightists to pretend they had something on their critics, and is entirely without merit, because the only people who are PC ARE reactionaries! In other words it's like a stupid third grader who yells back the same names he is called, even when they obviously can't apply. Steve
--------------------------- In other words you can't describe it clearly because your effort to do so is confabulated.
--------------------- No, there is no prejudice by the left against minorities being judges, there is instead an effort of late by rightists to seed UNQualified and highly unrepresentative minorities who are reactionaries into positions to be nominated for federal judgeships so as to confound the public's grasp of who is and who is not a reactionary racist when the public sees horrible reactionary irrational trash coming off the federal bench by a minority judge, not realizing that he or she is a bigot and one of the few rare reactionary persons of color.
This affords the right the opportunity to then ClAIM, disingenuously, since they knew full well what they had engineered, that the opposition to them is due to racism, as theirs has LONG been to highly qualified LIBERAL judges who UNDERSTAND constitutional law and whom Rightists DON'T LIKE for that reason!
-------------------- People's positions in life are not "earned", they are accidental, based on their luck of parentage and experiences, and how those factors shaped them. And there IS NO SUCH THING as "Free Will", since no one can change the tiniest thing they truly believe by some imagined act of whim or "will". What they think comes from their background, their experiences, and cannot be altered by them themselves.
---------------------- No, this occured because of the WAY Asians came to the USA, with their families languages, and culture entirely intact, and NOT because of any imaginary genetic difference, and while blacks were deprived of all those factors by slavery for 350 YEARS! Thus, such a position or statement by Rightists is merely concealed anti-black racism!
What is MORE amusing about Rightists is how they are unwilling to cite genetics as a factor which should ever ENTITLE someone to social assistance, but PERFECTLY willing to use it as an excuse to unmercifully abuse them for profit because of their misfortune!!!
The fact is that these self-appointed "right people" wish to claim literally ANYTHING THEY HAVE TO to be permitted to win the economic game and beat anyone else at it, and not have to pay for the horrible damage they do in taking advantage of that is done by providence to the rest of us in any exploitative fashion they choose and then to try to couch that as meritorious wealth earned by "hard work", when actually the only hard work was OTHER PEOPLE'S!!
------------- That's because you can't. On the other hand this is easy to show regarding Rightists.
--------------- Yes, we want the political power to END the abuse of the weak by the strong! That means by Rightists!
---------------- It IS pervaded by racism, just look at where blacks live and what they are paid, in toto, and what whites are paid!! Anyone with any kind of conscience would WANT to gain power just to STOP THAT EVIL!!
Now Rightists obvious have NO conscience, because they can exploit and abuse them and continue that systemic racism for PROFIT!! They are vicious enough that they can try to justify this with the most puerile arguments that have no logical basis, such as "winner take all" and "finders-keepers" isn't just "takers/stealers" and that contracts cannot somehow be illegitimately coerced by circumstances, when they squeal to high heaven if it happened to them! Rightists have selective morality, one that only applies to protect THEM from being impoverished and enslaved, and not these "trashy people" they are interminably worried about becoming.
-------------------------- Power=money to Rightists, to Leftists, power=justice!
------------------------- You're just a Rightist, you just don't fathom where you are politically yet. No one with a conscience could ever be other than a Leftist, and anyone NOT a Leftist is one variety or another of Rightist bigot and profiteer! THEY CANNOT BE OTHERWISE!
-------------------- Yes, it's about time for revolution again!
---------------- Liar.
------------------- Disingenuous liar!
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--------------------------- That's because wealth is inherently DIShonest, and requires deception of the self and others to try to justify it. No such can be Leftist purely.
----------------------------- The crimes of the wealthy are criminal, not a cultural difference.
-------------------------- He means we're intolerant of the crime that is wealth.
------------------------- They're SO ignorant and irrational that NO one believes them.
------------------------- Again he tries to justify the crime of wealth as just some "new idea", sort of like being mugged by phony intellectuals.
------------------------------- Suppressing ideas that are lies is everybody's business. Ideas that intentionally deceive are a form of lying, to whit, fraud.
------------------------- Criminals have to tolerate each other's perversions to get along, even though there is no real honor among thieves, even rich thieves, because their goal is not justice and truth, but their own wealth, no matter how they have to acquire it.
--------------------------------------- Nope, reactionary is a return to the past, and I ask you, what past?? And yes, people who don't wish to be robbed, stolen-from, are rather intolerant and doctrinaire about their opposition to the thefts by the rich, thefts of labor and of property.
----------------------------- Nobody has ever been able to make a Leftist look like a bigot, or even look ignorant, it's not even possible, which explains why TV can't even do it. All education is invariably Liberalizing, and results in those who are exposed to it becoming much more Left-Liberal in virtually every case, because Rightists aren't interested in the Truth or Justice, but in the God Mammon, Money!!
No wonder Righntism doesn't make any sense except to a conscience-less inveterate shopper or spoiled rich vacationer.
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I know exactly where I am politically, and that is nowhere. That is also where I will remain. If I defend a conservative view, I will do so from the outside. If I defend a liberal view, I will do so from the outside. If I criticize or defend both at the same time, I will do so from the outside. I will remain always on the outside.
You are filled with the desire to kill and obliterate those "rightists" as evidenced clearly by the years of vitriolic posts that I have read of you expressing explicitly your wish to kill them, and you simultaneously imply that you are one with a conscience because you are a leftist?
What you really are is simply ignorant and insane.
Don't go trying to stick identities in my mind, because you haven't a clue where I'm coming from.
You're true ambition is to become exactly like the "inner party" members of Orwell's 1984. You don't fool me.
Oh?
Well in that case, would you care to tell me what I am if not human, and where I could possibly be from other than Earth?
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The fact that people like Walz and Slowman hate even the radical centrists (not just right wing biased people) does indicate their narrow minded and doctorinare viewpoint. The left and far left activists are just as hateful and narrow minded as the far right wing.
Just because someone accepts and adopts an individual right wing left wing idea, it doesn't make them a narrow minded person. It is those who wish to see the total destruction of the right or left (e.g. those like the abortionist killers or our resident lefties like Walz and Slowman) who create so much division.
It is VERY IMPORTANT to point out the leftist hate mongers as being the close kin of the right-wing wakkos (same mentality but different ideas.)
That is why I made a point of not taking on these political viewpoints as *identities*, which is what seems to be increasingly so much the case, and has always been the case with religious views.
Good day!
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---------------- Meaningless posture. What you support, you are in the midst of.
---------------------------- In that Rightists are wannbe enslavers and thieves, there is nothing wrong with killing them.
--------------------- And is the man resisting being enslaved and robbed also "insane"? What an insipid effort to defelct blame from your crimes!
----------------------- Ewww, now you're afraid I might gain control of your MIND! You must not have a very good hold on it!
----------------------------- Nonsense, nothing REAL has ever been remotely like ANY of the several mewling anti-utopian novelists have posited!
-------------------- Precisely.
-------------------------- "is all" !! Your pretense to innocence despite defending criminality is obtuse!
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----------------------------- Nope, we want to see an end to robbery and enslavement of people by a cadre of organized criminals.
------------------------ I hate those who tolerate thieving criminality and enslavement by the Rightists, because there actually is NO such thing as Rightism, it was merely invented to pretend and characterize robbery and enslavement as a political position, when IT IS NOT, it represents merely the desire to destroy Majority Democracy and OWN the rest of us, so they can use us as slaves so that THEY don't have to WORK! It is NOT actually ANY viable political "persuasion", it is merely a holding action against clarity and reason!
------------------------ Just because we don't want people to be robbed and enslaved by the bullies.
----------------- Which assertion says precisely this:
'Just because someone accepts the right of the 'nobility' to enslave people and steal from people, that somehow still doesn't make them feudalists!!' -- which is TOTAL nonsense!
-------------------------------- The "abortionist killers" were JUST killers, since fetuses are NOT people, and doctors ARE! When someone is WRONG, they're WRONG! When they kill to defend WRONG, you KILL them!
------------------ A lie that thieves always want to propagate, that their prosecutors are actually just "persecutors" who are really just as bad as THEY are, as a way (illegitimately) to justify themselves! It reminds me of Al Capone, who said: "The cops are just as bad as we are, they shoot people with guns too!"
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