recruit FPGA design engineer in Scotland

On 2012-08-22, Les Cargill wrote: |-------------------------------------------------------------------------------| |"Paul Colin Gloster wrote: | |> On 2012-08-21, Les Cargill sent: | |> |---------------------------------------------------------------------------|| |> |"Paul Colin Gloster wrote: || |> |> On 2012-08-21, rickman posted: || |> |> |----------------------------------------------------------------------| || |> |> |"[. . .] | || |> |> | | || |> |> |[. . .] USD 40,000 per year | || |> |> |which is not even starting salary for an engineer in the US. I'm not | || |> |> |surprised they are looking around the world. | || |> |> | | || |> |> |Rick" | || |> |> |----------------------------------------------------------------------| || |> |> || |> |> Ah, jobs are located away from the shores of the U.S.A. because people in|| |> |> the U.S.A. charge too much. || |> |> || |> | || |> |If that were actually true," | |> |---------------------------------------------------------------------------|| |> | |> It is actually true. I once worked in a 3Com factory. It was not | |> located in the U.S.A. U.S. companies find that labor outside of the | |> U.S.A. is cheaper, so they use factories outside of the U.S.A. | |> | |> |---------------------------------------------------------------------------|| |> |" the US would have 100% unemployment. || |> | || |> |-- || |> |Les Cargill" || |> |---------------------------------------------------------------------------|| |> | |> The U.S.A. would have 100% unemployment were all jobs located away | |> from the U.S.A. That is different than what I had claimed. | |> | | | | | |You said - and I quote ( the text is even in line above ) - | | | |"Ah, jobs are located away from the shores of the U.S.A. because people | |in the U.S.A. charge too much." | | | |Again - if that were true, then all jobs would be located away from the | |US." | |-------------------------------------------------------------------------------|

Again that is not true. Again please read what you quoted twice. "Ah, jobs" /= "all jobs".

|-------------------------------------------------------------------------------| |"[. . .] | | | |Baristas at our Starbucks chain make close to $10USD per hour. If Scots | |or German FPGA designers are working for $10 per hour, then they | |are *paid too little*. This would also be true for $20 per hour. | | | |-- | |Les Cargill" | |-------------------------------------------------------------------------------|

At a rate of $10 (or $20) per hour, they would be paid too little if and only if they are doing work worth more than $10 (or $20) an hour. If I am forced to wait in a store because the staff is too slow to deal with the customers, then I do not give the shop more money for the extra time I was waiting there.

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Paul Colin Gloster
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If £30 per hour is the same as $48 per hour (from the exchange rate in another post elsewhere here) that is around what I would expect for a regular full time job. Contract pay is sometimes less, oddly enough. Consulting is quite a bit more. I've never figured out the difference between contract work and consulting except for the middle-man usually involved in contract work and the difference in pay...

Rick

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rickman

"Careful"? I'm not sure what that means. I can't even get insurance here except for Maryland offering the new "Affordable Healthcare Act" policy. In the neighboring Virginia and West Virginia you can't get insurance at all if you have pre-existing conditions.

I don't want to turn this into an insurance debate, but the difficulty of finding health insurance outside of an employment group is the single biggest failing of this government in the last forty years. Well, except for a war or two we never needed.

Rick

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rickman

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I don't want a health care debate either, but it doesn't seem fair to blame the government. Well, we will have to see how Obamacare works out, but before that there was pretty much no government in healthcare. (Not counting Medicare and such.)

Most likely it will still need some adjusting, but it seems to me that Obamacare is a step in the right direction.

All the TV ads about government bureaucrats making health care decisions, (to convince people that government is bad), but I would rather that than some corporate CEO whose year end bonus depends on how many patients' claims were denied.

Note that Obamacare was modeled after the system that Romney started in MA, and yet he is against it!

-- glen

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glen herrmannsfeldt

Gad. That's terrible. We found something, but I don't precisely recall the cost - something like $6k a year. It was very high deductible. That's fine - no point in paying an insurance company to finance the small stuff.

-- Les Cargill

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Les Cargill

Had they opened up sales of insurance across state lines, there's a nonzero probability that it would have improved cost somewhat. How much is not clear.

Happy election year! It'll be over soon enough.

-- Les Cargill

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Les Cargill

I suppose it depends who the bureaucrats are! I looked into one example during all that shouting how bad the NHS was as an example of public healthcare. The bureaucrats (aka "NICE") published the names on the panel deciding the merits of the treatment concerned... Leading doctors and surgeons, research chemists, professors of medicine. Not a beancounter or (as far as I could see) paper pusher among them.

Can your health insurance companies say as much?

From this side of the water, it's difficult to see what all the Obamacare fuss is about.

- Brian

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Brian Drummond

I think this might give a clue:

According to a report by Health Care for America Now, America's five biggest for-profit health insurance companies ended 2009 with a combined profit of $12.2 billion

That can pay for a lot of opposition!!

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Mike Perkins
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Mike Perkins

As we tread further into a discussion we both acknowledge we don't want... the reason we need the government to get involved in healthcare is because that is the only way this country will ever be able to provide healthcare to the full population rather than just those who have the sort of jobs that provide insurance or those who can pay for healthcare out of pocket. That latter group includes Bill Gates and Warren Buffet and that may be the full list.

I firmly believe that the real reason healthcare is not available to many is because it is for-profit based. That goes directly against the goals of universal healthcare because it goes against maximizing profit. The only way this country will ever be able to afford universal healthcare is to adopt a national healthcare system like so many other countries have. But this will be fought tooth and nail by everyone who has a profit motive in healthcare, doctors, other caregivers, insurance companies, drug companies, etc.

Of course all the associated rhetoric will polarize the voters and widen the schism already existing in politics. I don't relish the future.

Rick

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rickman

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