Outlook 2003 does not find Notes by Cyrillic text in them

On 14 Jul 2005 06:05:07 -0700, "Dima" wrote in comp.arch.embedded:

What could possibly make you think this question has anything at all to do with embedded systems? Try a Microsoft support group.

Maybe it's time to switch to SW with better support? Perhaps Thunderbird? Or even Linux?

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What are the SW and Thunderbird?

Well, since you neglected to include any context, the SW in the US generally covers such states as California, Arizona, New Mexico. Similarly a Thunderbird may be an alcoholic drink or a breed of automobile, by Ford.

Do you know how to read groups at all? My question was a reply to Grant Edwards reply on 2005-07-15.

You obviously have no idea what you are really dealing with. That's alright, none of us were born knowing everything.

Google groups is a very poor interface to the usenet system (which you can make useful by following the instructions in my sig below. The sig is the portion following the "-- " marker.) Googles forte is archiving things, including usenet. Most news servers expire news articles in a short time (a few days to a few weeks) after which they are gone forever.

Usenet extends world wide, and has been around a lot longer than google, or the WWW system. Most participants use a mailer which communicates with a news server (which google is not, it depends on a newsserver too). There is never any guarantee that any previous message is (or will ever be) available. Thus all articles have to stand on their own, and require proper context (quotations) and attributions (who said what). The '>' at the left of a line indicate a quotation, and the number of '>'s ties that line to an attribution.

Your ISP normally provides a newsserver. Some poorer ISPs do not.

Netscape (before version 8) and Mozilla can provide complete news, email, and WWW access, and are available for many systems. For news only (usenet) there are various readers, including xnews (but only for windows) and Thunderbird (which includes email). Some also include Outlook Express here, but that is also windows only and, until the appearance of the google interface, was far and away the worst possible mailer to use. There are also addons to EMACS such as gnus, with which I am not familiar. And others.

Here are a few references to read:

Ah. Since you didn't quote my article, I didn't know you were asking me a question. You're not going to get very good results in Usenet unless you learn to follow the "rules".

SW == software

Thunderbird == a mail program that doesn't suck

Why are you asking questions about Outlook in comp.arch.embedded????

You knew I was asking you a question by the tree view. My reply is a branch of your reply in the tree.

You could know I was asking Grant Edwards the question by the tree view in the Google groups. My reply is a branch of his reply in the tree.

A tree view is a concept of the used newsreader, not of Usenet itself. So anyone who jumps in into the middle of the discussion, might not see previous messages in his "tree view" because the messages might simply not be there.

Meindert

The original text is in the google edit reply window. Why is the original text absent in the published reply?

Google is a very poor interface to Usenet. You appear to be stupid or otherwise unteachable. I did try.

a) I'm not using the same newsreader you are, so talking about "the tree view" is meaningless.

b) I don't keep old articles in view after I've read them.

If you keep up this sort of behavior, it's likely that people will start to ignore you.

WE'RE NOT USING GOOGLE GROUPS.

BTW, all caps signifies shouting.

-- Grant Edwards grante Yow! Is a tattoo at real, like a curb or a visi.com battleship? Or are we suffering in Safeway?

You have made the mistake of assuming that Google Groups _IS_ Usenet.

It is not. Usenet is a global network of servers exchanging newsgroup messages using the NNTP protocol (and in times gone past, UUCP based protocols).

Google is merely one (large) site on this network. All that is different about Google is that it has decided to collect these messages and present them via a web based interface. Any messages entered by users of this web interface are then injected into this global network of Usenet servers by Google.

I, for one, use a text based client (running in a terminal session) and not a web browser when reading Usenet and posting to it.

Many of us (myself included) have been using Usenet before either Google or web browsers existed.

Based on your comments here, it seems that Google has not done a good job of explaining this.

HTH,

Simon.

Of course they do, many readers offer a tree view. But as I have told you before, this tree view is presented by the NEWSREADER and dependent on the messages the newsreader has stored. If I for instance, at this moment, decide to subscribe to comp.arch.embedded, there might be thousands of messages present. The first thing I do is apply the "Catch Up" function to start with a clean (=empty) list. If you then post a reply after that, to a message which was posted before I did the "Catch Up", I will only see your reply, no matter what Tree View I have. Clear now?

Meindert

Example: I read this answer of yours, but I cannot see to whom you are replying, because after the catch up I did yesterday (which at least hides the read messages), I do not see previous messages from this thread in my tree view.

And that is why you have to qoute some of the originating text.

Meindert

My newsreader also has a "tree view", but I still can't make sense of this thread. I don't keep messages I already marked as read, as do many others, so this "tree" now only consists of 3 contextless replies by you.

Not seeing read messages means I only see a dozen messages in this group every time I look. This is so much easier than to struggle through about

There's no way you can be this stupid, so you must be trolling.

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