In article , Bryan Hackney writes
It surprised me too. However it came up in discussion today. GCC has actually done a lot of harm to the SW industry in general.
Which resources?
It is not having the effect you think.
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Interesting conjecture. I would like to see that discussion. Even if there is some truth to that, the openness of operating systems and tools is a good thing for anyone who is learning, such as students and hobbyists, and professionals reevaluting the way they do things.
And what is the 'SW industry'? Is there any such thing?
Not that the cost of tools is a great burden for a sucessful company, but it is a concern. I would rather spend $4500 on a scope than some toolchain when the budget is tight.
We live in only one reality. Impossible to know.
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How about an Open Source 8051 development environment that runs on _both_ Linux and Windows?
-- Regards, Albert
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Nice picture of Bill Gates, but I don't think it will help me develop any 8051 software...
Regards,
-=Dave
-- Change is inevitable, progress is not.
I enjoyed that too. Just add index.html to the end and you are ther.
Ian
Ha! Sorry, that's what I get for working at 3AM local...
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In article , Bryan Hackney writes
That discussion is currently in a private email but I was also so intrigued that I am writing it up. It will probaly end up in embedded System Engineering magazine. They should also have it on their web site so I wil let you know when it is done.
that is a TOTAL waste of time. You can get cheap "no brand" scopes that are as good as the (over priced) expensive ones and buy a decent compiler.
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Hi Chris, I dont think so. At least with a scope if you pay a lot of money you get a good scope, but if you pay a lot of money for a compiler.....
In article , CBarn24050 writes
You get a good compiler...
This is interesting. You clearly understand HW and realise the small differences in scopes that make a difference. It is the same with compilers and other SW tools.
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Hi Chris, well maybe you do, but you know untill after you spend the money. If your scope dont work you can get it back, but software allways seems to come with no money back option, and then of course there is it's resale value.
In article , CBarn24050 writes
Money back is as doubtful on HW as it is on SW. Of course the specs for HW are easier to give and measure. However if you are buying the top level compilers for any given target they are going to be the best you can get and of a similar quality.
The free tools are nothing like as consisted or good quality even among compilers of the same type. eg GNU. I was told last week buy a highly respected tool implimentor that the GNU Gcc for the DEC alpha target gave different result s depending which of two implementations you used. Apparently neither was correct anyway. So where does that leave you?
He said that the fixes (if at all) would be done by different people on different time scales. Even then there was no guarantee they would be right.
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Yes well thats my point, you get no guarantee, it doesn't much matter how much you pay either. My general rule is, the more you pay the more you waste. Of course it doesn't much matter if your a big company working on a big project, whats a few grand anyway.
In article , CBarn24050 writes
Is that for HW or SW tools?
I think the same applies to both.
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Hi, no SW only, HW you can allways get your money back if it dont work.
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