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Interesting conjecture. I would like to see that discussion. Even if there
is some truth to that, the openness of operating systems and tools is a
good thing for anyone who is learning, such as students and hobbyists,
and professionals reevaluting the way they do things.

And what is the 'SW industry'? Is there any such thing?

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Not that the cost of tools is a great burden for a sucessful company, but it
is a concern. I would rather spend $4500 on a scope than some toolchain when
the budget is tight.

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We live in only one reality. Impossible to know.

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That discussion is currently in a private email but I was also so
intrigued that I am writing it up. It will probaly end up in embedded
System Engineering magazine. They should also have it on their web site
so I wil let you know when it is done.

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that is a TOTAL waste of time. You can get cheap "no brand" scopes that
are as good as the (over priced) expensive ones and buy a decent
compiler.


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Re: Open Source simulator for 8051 microcontroller
Hi Chris, I dont think so. At least with a scope if you pay a lot of money you
get a good scope, but if you pay a lot of money for a compiler.....

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You get a good compiler...

This is interesting. You clearly understand HW and realise the small
differences in scopes that make a difference. It is the same with
compilers and other SW tools.



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Hi Chris, well maybe you do, but you know untill after you spend the money. If
your scope dont work you can get it back, but software allways seems to come
with no money back option, and then of course there is it's resale value.

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Money back is as doubtful on HW as it is on SW. Of course the specs for
HW are easier to give and measure. However if you are buying the top
level compilers for any given target they are going to be the best you
can get and of a similar quality.

The free tools are nothing like as consisted or good quality even among
compilers of the same type. eg GNU. I was told last week buy a highly
respected tool implimentor that the GNU Gcc for the DEC alpha  target
gave different result s depending which of two implementations you used.
Apparently neither was correct anyway.  So where does that leave you?

He said that the fixes (if at all) would be done by different people on
different time scales. Even then there was no guarantee they would be
right.

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Yes well thats my point, you get no guarantee, it doesn't much matter how much
you pay either. My general rule is, the more you pay the more you waste. Of
course it doesn't much matter if your a big company working on a big project,
whats a few grand anyway.

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Is that for HW or SW tools?

I think the same applies to both.



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Re: Open Source simulator for 8051 microcontroller
Hi, no SW only, HW you can allways get your money back if it dont work.

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Quite right but I think it was someone else who said they wanted open
source.  I just want something to run on Linux.  The only commercial 8051
suite I know that runs on Linux is by Tasking and they want 1400 for it.

Ian


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    How about an Open Source 8051 development environment that runs on _both_
Linux and Windows?  http://www.amresearch.com/software/v6 /

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Re: Open Source simulator for 8051 microcontroller
On Wed, 12 Nov 2003 03:08:05 -0800, Albert Lee Mitchell

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Nice picture of Bill Gates, but I don't think it will help me develop
any 8051 software...

Regards,

                               -=Dave
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Change is inevitable, progress is not.

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I enjoyed that too.  Just add index.html to the end and you are ther.

Ian



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    Ha!  Sorry, that's what I get for working at 3AM local...
http://www.amresearch.com/software/v6/index.html

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