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I think in the initial stages the requirements for licensing SW
engineers would be the C.Eng. However I am sure it would changes after a
while.


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That could pose some problems for graduates then as they would not have the
necessary experience/responsible post qualifications.  Sounds like Catch
22.  So presumably there must be some mechanism by which those who are not
licensed can be employed until such time as they are?

Ian

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Competence is a function of age. I believe competence is roughly
proportional to age, until senility sets in.

Senility is a function of age, by definition. However, it generally doesn't
kick in until after you've lost the will to work, anyway (I hope) :-)
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Hi Chris,

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If there is a reasonable and quick path it may be ok. The problem arises
if regulations are put in place that older engineers are unable to
fulfill, effectively locking them out of part of the market and
affecting their livelihood.

Regards, Joerg

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the path is different.

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This is not the case for C.Eng

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In my years (over 20 working in various companies last 10 as my own company)
I have NEVER come across the need for C.Eng or even been asked if I am a
member of any society/trade body.

I am however a member of the IEEE and take the Computer Section.

I always found any attempts to find out if the IEE had improved met
with loads of forms and expecting all sorts of things that assume you
are an employee in a large multi-national full of other IEE members to
qualify what you say you have been doing. It seems to become more of
an old boys club, whereas some IEEE sections are more about academic
back slapping and publishing purely academic papers.

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Me neither so far... however it is going to become more relevant in the
future. As my Father said... I haver had a mobile phone... can't see the
point of it. It will never catch on. (ditto several doctors about the
GMC)

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Yes... it is a bit like that.

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Not at all. I know of tow contractors who have joined recently and had
no problem with the paperwork.

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It can look like that if you are predisposed to that view of them.


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Agreed. The IEE application process took, oh, about three weeks from
application to confirmation finish and was all online. Needed to name one
MIEE as a referee, that was all. There was no "paperwork" as such. Joining
(and working out whether or not you qualify for full membership) was
just as easy as it was with IEEE (or the SAE for that matter).

The BCS, on the other hand, seems very keen to pigeonhole people within
its byzantine "Industry Standard Model" -- "oh no, you didn't do enough
time in the salt mines as a junior assistant under-programmer"... Every
time I've considered joining I look at their application process and get
a whiff of brown polyester suits, DP departments and PRINCE2 project
managers ;) Your mileage, of course, may vary.

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I have had a similar experience with the BCS. The BCS seems to be  very
"data processing" and mainframes type stuff.

Unfortunately the BCS is the "official" voice of computing  as far as
the establishment in concerned. This leads to two courses. Fights
against it from the outside and inevitably loose or fight from within
and change it. The latter course as happened with the IEE and it has
transformed itself over the last year or so.

If you do anything related to hardware, electronics or embedded with
your SW then the IEE is the one you need.

Remember the IEEE is very American. It recently disenfranchised members
in several Arab and other states because they were "part of world
terrorism" according to Bush! So if you don't mind being part of the
Bush politics join the IEEE.



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Gave up on mobile phone as it became impossible to do any work at various
stages. Don't say leave it in the car or turn it off, I have been some
places that will hound you continuously for the mobile phone number as
soon as there is a slightest whiff you have one. Some people seem to think
they have to phone up for the slightest thing at any time!

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Whenever I have asked to find the sponsor member suitable, it always
falls on deaf ears, even two years ago.

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No I said SOME sections which is definitely the case, but they soon get
dropped.

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Where to?

there is already licensing in many parts of the world including the USA
and Australia.

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Not SO. In Several states in the US there is licensing.

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How about India and other parts of the Far East.  

Ian

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This is the first I've heard of it here (in Australia). Whats it called?


cheers,

Al


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I've never heard of it (for most fields) in the USE either.  I
guess there are a few areas (civil engineering?) where you need
some sort of license, but not in any of the fields that I've
worked in/around: electrical, mechanical, chemical, software,
manufacturing, test.

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It is in the US for some embedded, safety critical and stuff that
interfaces with the public. I think it is in Texas and some other
states.

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What exactly would that be?  

I know for a fact you don't need a PE to design the hardware or
software that goes into cardiac pace-makers, automatic
de-fibrillators, or other medical gear.  Neither is it required
for things like designing ABS systems, engine controls, or
other civilian transport stuff.  Not required for avionics,
fire-control or ordinance handling systems for for the military
[even those systems capable of launching nuclear weapons]. It's
not required for people who design the telecommunications
infrastructure.  My friends and I have worked in a _lot_ of
different areas doing embedded systems HW/SW, and nobody has
ever even been asked about being a PE.  I've been working for
20+ years, and don't think I've ever even _met_ one.

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AFAIK it is only in some states. I will look out the references.

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Hi Chris,

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They pretty much all have an industry exemption. I think Louisiana and
Missouri have discussed removing that exemption. Don't know what came of
it but I hope they have realized that this would send them into a
technological tail spin. Probably one of those spins that pilots call
irrecoverable.

Regards, Joerg

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PE I think...  I will have to look at the report again.

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Talking obout somewhere else...
Here in Brazil you need to have a license to work in the engineering
field. All you need the get the license is an university diploma from a
government accepted university.
As a matter of fact, you need only to show your license to open a
company and to work as a consultant or to the government. But any
licensed engineer can denounce someone working as an enginner without  a
license, and that's a good fee to the company as well to the worker. As
nobody ever donounces anyone, noone cares about it.

Ricardo.

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