How workable is Vista?

You might give OpenProj a try. I mostly use it for really simple Gantt stuff but it does have possibilities for more advanced users (= most of the rest of the universe).

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He has been told this many times before. However, Tomas is a genius, knows everything, and thus sees fit to ignore advice.

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I think you are mistaken. The future is Linux, possibly Ubuntu.

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For Vista/32 it's little more than a strong warning that you're installing an unsigned driver and that bad things may happen. For Vista/64, the driver must be signed, but you can sign it yourself, and then just have the user install your certificate. There are, of course, some warnings when the user installs you cert. Of course MS recommends that you do not install unsigned drivers, and that you do not install anyone's signing cert other than MS's.

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They were thinking that they want to protect their DRM model. Add anything not approved by the gods and your system starts to do funky things whenever multimedia is used.

Vista is the next evolutionary step towards the PC becoming like an Xbox - only applications signed by Microsoft will run on it. Microsoft lambasts the iPhone software sales model, but they are working towards the exact same thing. At which point you might as well have an NC.

It's grossly foolhardy to lock up your business and personal data in ephemeral formats like this.

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You can do this in Parallels and VMWare too; no host drivers are required to use USB hardware. The problem being that the MSP430 USB- JTAG and ez430 crash the MacOS kernel hard. It's a well-documented problem with no resolution, and the fact that it happens under two totally different virtualization environments leads me to believe it's something intrinsic to the TI hardware.

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Here you are. :-) Please do not top-post. Your answer belongs after (or intermixed with) the quoted material to which you reply, after snipping all irrelevant material. See the following links:

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You didn't top-post - you failed to quote properly :-)

Warning against unsigned drivers is a good thing - disabling unsigned drivers is a bad thing. There's a difference.

Signed drivers also introduce a false sense of security in users. When a driver is signed, it means you can be fairly sure that company X made the driver - it gives absolutely no guarantees that it will work, and that it won't trash your machine!

If you are a small company, the time and cost involved in getting drivers signed is just not realistic. So forcing driver signing in Vista 64 is another one of the thoughtless "kill the little guy" moves. I suppose Vista 64 is not that popular yet, but more demanding users are going to see that with Vista taking so much memory itself, 4 GB doesn't stretch that far any more, and using a 64-bit system has its appeals.

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More like 3GB. If you install 4GB of memory, there is little more than

3GB available in the address space after the reserved space for memory mapped devices and other goodies, and the most apps are given a 2GB memory/virtual memory chunk. If you try to turn on the 3GB switch in XP, odds are you will trash your video driver.

I wanted to build an 8GB system with XP Pro64 or Vista Ultimate 64 bit, but after all the crap I keep reading, I'm not sure it is worth the trouble to make the switch.

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Exactamente. And one of the many reasons why Vista won't be used in this here office ;-)

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They were thinking that with solid DRM they could get the RIAA and MPAA to sign on, and deliver a killer media box. That's a much bigger market than hardware hackers, and it could pay on each transaction, instead of for each license.

Besides, the rest of us will update eventually, when the drivers stabilize.

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Has anyone looked at ReactOS?

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From the website:

ReactOS Project

ReactOS® is an advanced free open source operating system providing a ground-up implementation of a Microsoft Windows® XP compatible operating system. ReactOS aims to achieve complete binary compatibility with both applications and device drivers meant for NT and XP operating systems, by using a similar architecture and providing a complete and equivalent public interface.

ReactOS is the most complete working model of a Windows® like operating system available. Consequently, working programmers will learn a great deal by studying ReactOS source code and even participating in ReactOS development.

ReactOS has and will continue to incorporate features from newer versions and sometimes even define the state of the art in operating system technology.

In short, ReactOS is aiming to run your applications and use your hardware, a free operating system for everyone!

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A section of the memory map (768MB in total, I believe) is reserved for the PCI space and other peripherals. So you get 3.25 GB max RAM on

32-bit windows.

I've got 64-bit XP on this machine at home - more out of curiosity than need. It works for most things, but there are definite compatibility problems. 16-bit programs don't work at all (I've a few of them left), and 32-bit programs that work at a lower level than usual have problems. For example, Virtual Box needs a 64-bit binary rather than a 32-bit binary - it works, but it will not have nearly as much testing as the

32-bit version. And netdrive (a webdav client for windows, since the native windows version is so badly broken) won't install. There's no 64-bit version since it is abandonware.

All in all, I can't recommend 64-bit XP for general use - and I expect the same applies for Vista 64-bit.

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Microsoft takes for doing things right.

wannabees, along with "Thou shalt rant against top-posting."

But what about "Thou shall rant against posts that are not wrapped to under 78 columns"? In a standards compliant newsreader your post above is two long lines.

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A pretty huge difference, I might add. That Vista thing (which I have never had and hope to never have anywhere near me) just takes the next step of what MS have been consistently doing since day one - limiting computer usefulness for the general public as much as possible in a publically acceptable manner. It remains to be seen if they will succeed at pushing through all the new limitations they bring with vista, I suspect they will. They just know what they are doing, the moment they feel something will not be accepted they retract it for a future date and move on.

But succeeding among the general public is one thing - all they give them is an improved TV-set which is all 99+% of the people are after anyway - whereas succeeding among users like readers of this group is another, their TV-sets seem to have become just useless (again, I am saying this by just watching from the sideline, I do not need any MS or intel etc. to do my development work, I am quite fine with my DPS based toolchain). There may be some things to happen next few years because of MS trying to reach a bit too far this time, though - we'll see.

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Interesting. It wasn't that many years ago that the hardware capability and capacity to run Vista was considered a supercomputer. Yesterday's supercomputer wouldn't even be able to start Vista, much less do anything useful with it.

I ran a machine for many years with a 50 Mbyte hard drive and got along nicely. I increased the size when I could no longer get replacements that small but only went to about 100 Mbytes. Today, you need two orders of magnitude more disk space just to hold the OS!

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Don't count on me upgrading anytime soon ...

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They do seem intent on increasing the viability of MAC OS and Linux don't they.

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