Anyone recognise this hex format?

Al Borowski wrote in news:40b4c311$0$16597$ snipped-for-privacy@freenews.iinet.net.au:

Consider that he may not have access to the previous post. It may not have arrived yet at his newsserver, it may never...

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A lot. I personally know at least a dozen.

Some read newsgroups via satellite phone, as well. Remember this is an international newsgroup.

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Alan Balmer

I read lots of posts in lots of threads on several newsgroups. So I'm supposed to remember *your* timeless prose, in particular? Or go searching for it just to understand some priceless bit of your wisdom? Hah!

Anyway, you have it backward - if you want your posts to be read, it's your problem, not mine. If you don't want your posts to be read, don't make them.

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It's a different kettle of smoked herring, though, because email is person-to-person. Usenet is more like publication. How would you feel if letters to the editor were printed before the story they reference?

I bottom-post primarily because it's the way I learned to do things back in the dark ages before AOL existed. Much like the clarity, grammatical correctness and wide-ranging vocabulary of Victorian English, I feel that "my" way is being superseded by ugly methods that have no virtue other than one-button convenience. Less care is taken, in general, by people who overuse such shortcuts.

I bitch about top-posters (a) because I feel their method of doing things is inelegant and informal, like the difference between cargo pants and a three-piece suit, and (b) because it's fun. In this thread, motivation (b) has dominated.

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Lewin A.R.W. Edwards

Yes: put the cursor below the line you want to answer to and press the "Decrease Indentation" button (the button at the right of the one with the bullets).

Meindert

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Meindert Sprang

Well, I know quite few people that sail around the world right now, and post in newsgroups using a mobile phone when near a shore or an Inmarsat connection when at the middle of an ocean.

Meindert

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Meindert Sprang

You describe a real problem. but top-posting isn't the solution. There are two good solutions:

[1] Trim all previous material to one or maybe two paragraphs. [2] Trim it all and write a summary into the first line of the reply.
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Guy Macon

I read newsgroups on my mobile phone, on my PDA, my Slackware box, my Windows2000 box, my QNX box, and on my Commodore 128 connected to a UNIX shell account on my ISPs server.

One of my coworkers is blind and reads newsgroups with his ears through a text-to-speech converter running under FreeDOS. Most blind people have a very low opinion of what Microsoft has done to email.

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Guy Macon

Shooting is too good for them. Top posters ought to be hung by their heels and fed a powerful laxative.

Crossposters ought to be hung by their heels and fed a powerful laxative with their head in a bucket.

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Guy Macon

"Top posting classically or stereotypically involves no trimming and of course no contextualizing.of prior posts; contrasted with contextualized posts, which sequence questions and responses in order and context, along with trimming of unnecessary lines. In this contrast, the top post is disorderly, messy, and most notably egocentrical, because it leaves all of the cleaning up and reorganization to the correspondent context posters and because it inappropriately emphasizes the importance of whatever the top poster has to say or ask while mostly disregarding everything anyone else has been said before. It also expects the next reader to try to guess at what part of the previous posts the top poster is referring.and makes it nearly impossible to contextualize hir own responses." -Mike Easter

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Guy Macon

Have you ever seen a single examplem of someone who does his best to trim the quotes being criticized for not doing a good enough job? Ever?

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Guy Macon

Thank you! I would never have found that, especially since I'm not much of a button-pusher, and it doesn't appear to be on the menus.

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Alan Balmer

Ah. Then it should have followed Peter's remarks, rather than being inserted at the very bottom, where it appeared to be a response to something entirely different.

You've provided an excellent example of why unthinking bottom-posting is little better than top-posting. The debate should not be between top-posting and bottom-posting, but between top-posting and proper editing, with properly interspersed responses.

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Alan Balmer

I find the average newsitem is approximately 3 KB. I regularly download 200 to 300 of these at a time over a modem. That is in the order of 1 MB transmission, and at least 3 or so connect minutes (actually more, because of various overheads). Top posters regularly expand the articles to 50 or 100 kB, a factor of

15 to 30 times. Too many of these lazy wastrels would expand the connect time from a minor nuisance to an expensive pain.

It is closely akin to the silly attitude towards oil in the US (and others). There is much more to be gained by conservation than by expanding the supply.

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I can't help but admire the clarity and lucidity with which you got your point across, and encouraged the whole world to ponder your viewpoint. The mental efforts required of you must have been prodigious and exhausting. Maybe you should take a rest from your efforts.

In case of misunderstanding, there is a slight tinge of sarcasm in the above paragraph.

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[...CBFalconer wrote...]

Here's a longer version I saw once, atttributed to Clifton Sharp: "I'll see you at Linda's wedding." "Well, see ya soon." "Congratulations!" "Ten thousand a year." "How much?" "Got a really big raise this time." "Sorry to hear it. How's the job?" "She's not feeling well. Flu, I think." "Same as ever. How's yours?" "How's your wife?" "They painted her purple. They should call her the Prune Fart now." "Good. Did you hear what Martin and Sheila did to the Sea Breeze?" "Good, and you?" "Bill! How the heck are you?"

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Dave Hansen

Since I was only interested if he'd be at the wedding that worked out fine.

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Alan Balmer wrote:

Yes, this is getting a little closer to what this debate has degenerated into. So far the view from many of the bottom posters concerning top posters is that they are lazy Microslop users with a poor grasp of Inglush and that they should be cut up and fed to dogs or perhaps even hung upside down and fed laxatives.

Yes, I hear the rantings of a bunch of racists rednecks ready to burn the top posting heretics at the stake. Stand back and take a look at yourselves, live your way and stop trying to make others live it too.

Hey, we could introduce apatheid newsgroups, one for BTs and another for TPs, now wouldn't that solve everything!

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Hammurabi would know what to do with them, but I guess your suggestion is also very acceptable.

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Frank Bemelman

What is so wrong with crossposting? IME, those bitching about crossposting can only master the first three words of the following phrase: "Do not crosspost to more than three of four newsgroups, ensure that the message is totally relevant to all of them, set the Followup-To: header properly."

Just an observation :)

Vadim

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