Agilent now dumping its U.S. employees -- I'm going to boycott them

"Anthony Fremont" escribió en el mensaje news:kKgxc.42945$ snipped-for-privacy@fe2.texas.rr.com...

what happened? did you just wake up?! AFAIK it's has always been like that in the states! it's what you call capitalism and free market! the laws that protect workers (as well as universal medical care, etc) in europe are "social" laws, strongly defended by the "left". But it's a sin to even think "social" in the states! you should really see Michael Moore's films...

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i saw in a Michael Moore film that TWA (the airline company) has a call center run by prisoners...

That ("in a Michael Moore film ") should be sufficient proof that it's not true.

you have not disproved the claim that TWA has a call center run (more probabaly staffed) by prisoners. Instead you have engaged in fallacy

Bob

Just as there are no crooked CEOs. And the administration never lied about WMDs. Have blind faith, and indulge in self-deception. This is the best of all possible worlds.

Not necessarily. One could argue that a person who has made untrue claims in the past is not a credible source. I don't want to address the issue of Michael Moore's crediblity, only that others have.

I think you misunderstand. I'm suggesting that you (or anyone else) should *not* place any blind faith in Michael Moore, especially considering his track record. Perhaps I should have added a smiley, but I thought the intent was obvious.

Here's some further information for you to consider - movies, by whatever maker, are often not reflections of true events. In fact, they're often downright fiction!

Hi,

And even this reason is falling away with colour laser printer prices dropping, and becomming quite reasonable. I have even seen prices for a minolta full colour laser printer, (It is a one pass colour printer that mixes the toner before application to the paper) in the order of US$4000, which is quite afordable for even fairly small businesses. Multi pass (prints CMYK in seperate passes) colour laser printers are available below US$1000.

Regards Anton Erasmus

One of the biggest problems with protective labour laws are that companies often do not want to take a chance on hiring people until they have no choice. When it is easy to fire someone, then the risk of hiring someone is much lower. This often slows down the recovery period after a slump quite a bit.

Regards Anton Erasmus

Ah, but apparently, millions *do* believe the incredible Mr. Moore. Blind = faith and gullibility have reached epic proportions!

OK, if *all* of MM's past statements are false, then one could say that it is *likely* that this statement is also false. Otherwise, it is still an ad hominem attack (fallacy). It certainly doesn't rise to the level of "proof" even if all past statements by MM are false.

Bob

Strange. Over here they are not. It is quite normal to have cables assembled at the local prison. Since everyone can get their services, which are more expensive than china BTW, prison work is not considered distorting the market. The technology provided is limited as the prison do not offer any infrastructure, the infrastructure is fully provided by the customer, be that crimp tools, solder stations. And since the customer has no relation to the worker, I dunno whether they ever meet, that limits the value of the tools. BTW, not every convict is a badie. Considering certain laws, it can be rather easy to be thrown into prison. EG. the third time drunk driving gives 3 Month or so.

Rene

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"proof"

The bigger question is why are you asking someone who made no claims about an alleged fact, when you offer no proof about the claim that you allege? My guess is that you just learned the meaning of "ad hominem" and wanted to show off.

What was untrue or incorrect in the film? BTW I have not seen it yet.

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First of all, an ad hominem attack is just that, an attack. Now an attack can be true or false. Just because it is an ad hominem attack does *not* make it a fallacy.

One could say that "Jim Stewart hates Volvos because he drives a Subaru". By your definition, this is a fallacy because it is an ad hominem attack. In reality it is both an ad hominem attack and it is true.

As to how many false statements someone must make before they have lost their credability, we obviously differ. To my mind, anyone that makes even one deliberately missleading statement is suspect. Again, I leave it as an exercise for the readers to determine if Michael Moore fits in that category.

You may say that with that standard honesty, I must not believe very much. You'd be correct.

And they are given first consideration as suppliers to the Fed government, well ahead of private manufacturers. While that is arguably separate from "domestic trade", it certainly impacts on commercial producers.

Failed logic? There's no need for *all* of MM's past statements to have been false to make it wise to suspect his current rants.

faith

Here's one opinion.

I get low end colour lasers for under $1000 (Okidata C5000 series and Xerox Phaser B), both do single pass printing a lot faster than I have seen most Minoltas (12-16ppm compared to 4-6ppm) and have lower consumable costs with higher life time for the consumables.

Don't get me started on their A3 printers of bad version control and poor support.....