Wattage of rough service incandecent bulbs ??

I have build a series load test light. eg. you plug a load in and it runs i n series through a lamp, in case there is a short, the lamp takes up the lo ad, so as to not blow a fuse. The lamp you use should be 3 x's the load. eg 20 watt load should have a 60 watt bulb. this means that you really need a variety of lamps.

Once finished I realized that getting an incandescent light bulb is not so easy since the government has restricted the manufacture and importation of them. They do still allow a few varieties. One such variety is Rough Servi ce lamps. Im kinda wondering since I assume that a 40W rough service light still uses 40w? Since that's what is on the packaging. My understanding is that they have thicker filaments, which would draw more wattage. But I thi nk this would just give off less light. I respect the engineers who put the data on the package so I assume that a 40w is still 40 watts. It would be wrong to put anything else on the package.

Of course if I wanted a larger bulb 60w 100w 150w. I'm not sure what to use . Maybe a flood light which I think are still available for 150w.

Finally, I wonder if I ordered incandescent lamps from Amazon, if they woul d be stopped at the boarder ???

Thoughts ??

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in series through a lamp, in case there is a short, the lamp takes up the load, so as to not blow a fuse. The lamp you use should be 3 x's the load. eg 20 watt load should have a 60 watt bulb. this means that you really need a variety of lamps.

o easy since the government has restricted the manufacture and importation of them. They do still allow a few varieties. One such variety is Rough Ser vice lamps. Im kinda wondering since I assume that a 40W rough service ligh t still uses 40w? Since that's what is on the packaging. My understanding is that they have thicker filaments, which would draw more wattage. But I t hink this would just give off less light. I respect the engineers who put t he data on the package so I assume that a 40w is still 40 watts. It would b e wrong to put anything else on the package.

se. Maybe a flood light which I think are still available for 150w.

uld be stopped at the boarder ???

Why can't you find rgular bulbs? Anything considered a specialty bulb, whic h is under 60 watts was excluded. It isn't that hard to still find 60Watt, but the prices have gone up two about double. I still have a stash of them, and I'd bet that you have a friend or neighbor who has some they didn't th row out.

Dollar Tree has 60W halogen and 4W ceiling fan lamps. The only 20W that I'v e ever seen used odd bases. Grainger has several types, but all that I have seen were for fish tanks.

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I had not thought about Grainger for lamps. Thanks for that.

I did go to my local little hardware and they only had Service lights of 40 Watts. I have not gone to a Big hardware as it is some distance. I will lo ok there when I'm there next.

You mention halogen lamps, are they a resistive type light?? I didnt look a t them cause, well they are more money and I didnt think they would work??

By the way here is in theory what the law is.

"Federal government banned the import and sale of 75- and 100-watt incandes cent bulbs, effective 1 January 2014. On 1 January 2015, 40- and 60-watt bu lbs were also banned. Retailers will be allowed to sell their existing inve ntories imported before the bans."

Regards.

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I thought Trump relaxed that law.

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If its related to golf or Ukraine. Then I sense its not done.

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+1 for DT

George H.

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40 Watts. I have not gone to a Big hardware as it is some distance. I will look there when I'm there next.

at them cause, well they are more money and I didnt think they would work? ?

escent bulbs, effective 1 January 2014. On 1 January 2015, 40- and 60-watt bulbs were also banned. Retailers will be allowed to sell their existing in ventories imported before the bans."

Halogen lamps are incandescent lamps. The Halogen gas not only lets the fil ament run hotter, it helps redeposit the evaporated tungsten on the filamen t. This gives more Lumens per watt, and longer service life.

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I think economics will win out in spite of Dog Turd's hazy understanding of... well... everything.

Personally I like the idea of their availability, I have an incubator that uses them and they are damned handy when used as a ballast. Resistance changes a factor of >10 from cold to hot.

Check this baby out:

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Right let the market decide.

Nice, I've seen these Zen amps before... (I'm a class A type of guy.) Is this meant as an active load to test amps and such? (make sure the heatsink is big enough.)

George H.

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I think you're right economics will win, and LED lighting will be the way, Trump probably understands that, so let the people that have an

application where an incandescent is better use them. +1 for Trump.

in spite of Dog Turd's hazy

Everything? You aren't paying attention. The unemployment rate is 3.5%. Manufacturing companies are coming back to the US. It looks like China is getting pushed to at least less stealing and manipulation. Workers have had real raises to their income. More than 7 million people have been lifted off of Food stamps. Small Business Optimism Index at all time highs. More than 100 utility companies have announced lower rates. Reauthorized more than $1 billion for career education programs. Women?s unemployment rate recently reached its lowest rate in 65 years. Also, minorities have lowest Unemployment rates in dozens of years. Trump has improved our Military readiness, GDP growth has been fantastic. The Census Bureau?s Current Population Survey?s income inequality measure declined in 2018. Trump's policy have started a Blue collar boom. Trump policies have slowed illegal immigration. These are just a few of the great things Trump has done for the country. The list could go on for pages, your term 'everything' is just a symptom of Trump derangement syndrome. Just think what could have been done if the democrats and media weren't on a hatefest with impeachment. If they had worked for the American people instead of focus on eliminating Trump. But then, their hate for Trump takes precedent over working to improve American lives.

Mikek

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I did not know that about Halogen. Thanks.

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My cuz was bequeathed this 6 family apartment house and like all landlords was bitching and moaning about (among other things) the tenants who'd leave the stairway lights on 24/7 (there were large windows to let light in).

I got his electric bills out and showed him what the incandescent bulbs were costing him (~$300/year versus LEDs Right let the market decide.

From what I gather, they are using the lamps as a current regulator/resistor with no need for a heat sink.

In the ancient past, teletypes used purpose-built tungsten filament bulbs as a current regulating ballast. They'd glow dimly when in use.

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Oh yeah I was impressed with the GDP growth. Until I discovered that due to Trump's trade wars. he's now having to subsidize farming (probably agribusiness since small farms are still failing) to the tune of 28 billion dollars or. in other words, exactly what the GDP growth was for the same period! AND that is over twice what it cost to bail out auto makers!

He's taking credit for the low unemployment figures - yet the low unemployment is seasonal right around Xmas.

The 1%'ers are well off too. Corporate taxes were halved.

AND "An in-depth analysis of Fortune 500 companies' financial filings finds that at least 60 of the nation's biggest corporations didn't pay a dime in federal income taxes in 2018 on a collective $79 billion in profits, the Institute on Taxation and Economic Policy said today."

Coal miners are suffering? Of course they are, it is far cheaper to pay one drag-line operator to do the work of 5,000 miners. and way cheaper to use natural gas for power generation.

The thing you and other brain-dead bozos of your ilk don't understand is that the economic policies of one president aren't felt until the administration has been out of office for decades.

The financial crisis of 07-08? were largely the result of Ronald Wilson Reagan's deregulation policies (further abetted by Bush the Lesser and Bill, I never had sex with that woman, Clinton).

Trump is a cult. Trump followers are easily manipulated. It is no wonder that "evangelicals" like trump, they pride themselves on their lack of analytical thinking. Nothing must shake their "faith."

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You tell me, is there any other better to time get the Chinese to shape up? Why would you expect it to be costless?

These are not just Christmas numbers!

Oh, so you hate the rich. But it is not only the rich that are doing well, the low end is also doing much better.

Oh that's good, competition will force those corporate savings on the both of us and all Americans.

So either they pay their workers more, lower their prices or their stock price goes up. All those are good things.

What do you want? I think that is progress, no more buggy whip makers. Probably better to get the miners out of the mines anyway, but it is an employment problem and Trump seems to want to do less harm to the coal miners than the rest of the democratic candidates.

I admit that we should control our debt and deficit, I also know that the larger the economy the smaller the percentage the dept and deficit become.

Ya, there should have been some additional regulations on the banks and financial institutions. But then regs have their downside. Like when the Obamacare regs started in 2012, I had a standard BCBS family Health Insurance Policy, It went up 18.2%, 19.4% and 24% the next three years. That was not inflation, that was government inflicted policies that caused the increases.

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Nothing we do has much influence with the Chinese. The Chinese "problem" is entirely in Trump's addled brain(?).

No? We'll know soon enough won't we?

This happens every year.

There's another factor at work during the Xmas season. A lot of people take vacation or days without pay etc., so production dips, while airlines see a bump in profits. That also reverses right after Xmas.

I'm in the top 3%.

Yup, adjusted for inflation, wages are up point six percent, while the consumer price index is up ~2%. wages up but prices are up more

If you just look at one statistic, things are definitely rosy. In the real world, there's always more at play than a single statistic.

That's like Dog Turd telling the treasury to "just print more money," to reduce the national debt. Something Bozo Boy actually did.

And this anecdote is even more precious:

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debt works.

********** There are children with a better understanding of finance than that.

You haven't factored in human greed.

I'd settle for honesty.

Trump is telling us "We are putting coal miners back to work." The coal industry hasn't seen any growth in spite of gutting EPA regulations. International market forces have more sway than domestic consumption.

Progress affects us all. No industry is immune. Even in engineering

- what once took understanding and lots of work, is simulated in a computer program. Some of the new crop of grads have no grounding in fundamentals, "there's an app for that."

I shouldn't talk, I was happy to ditch my slide rule for a calculator. (although I still had to do square roots on the slide rule until they caught up)

AND if you are still in the "us versus them" mind-set, you haven't figured out that the system is broken and all politicians are crooks. A career politician is only there to get re-elected, he only represents himself and his career.

Us versus them, is just another way of saying, divide and conquer.

There were a whole series of banking regulations that were instituted during the 1930's depression. Removing them saw profits soar or a bubble form (depending on how tethered to reality one is)

Unfettered capitalism results in price fixing by a few large companies and monopoly corporations or consortiums.

Greed is a good individual survival trait, but it can be very harmful to large civilizations.

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Look here at how the unemployment rate has had a steady drop since 2017.

Income or assets?

If indeed wages are up point 6 percent 'ADJUSTED FOR INFLATION' then the

2% price index is irrelevant. But, I admit, that is lower than I expected. I think you should also add in the decrease in taxes paid as additional income.

Yes, the only increase my admittedly short search found was W. Virginia where jobs increased 12.7% during 2017 and 2018. The problem, coal is fighting the low cost of natural gas because of the increase in fracking.

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You mean since 2010?

Did you know that most homeless people are working at least one job? Homelessness is on the rise yet flies under the radar since they are busy working not standing around to be counted. (which is how HUD comes up with their numbers - counts people in large cities during the day, in places where they typically concentrate)

What point are you trying to make? That in spite of "Mexicans stealing jobs," unemployment is still going down?

Statistics don't often give a clear picture. There are too many variables involved. They can be manipulated and displayed in ways that deliberately obfuscate reality.

Take the state-reported jobless statistics. Those are typically arrived at by seeing who is collecting unemployment not who is willing and able to work but not working. or working off the books when a job becomes available.

I'm retired, so my income is low. I'm better off than most, but to be above the ten percentile doesn't take much these days.

I'd say it is very relevant to quality of life.

Fracking is interesting. I can't help but wonder what the hidden costs are, and on balance, whether it is better than coal? Nothing trumps renewable energy (though seems to me we should have coal miners making turbines and solar panels, instead we buy them from China, Germany, Italy....)

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Oh I meant a heat sink for the FET.

I used them for AGC in a Wien bridge oscillator. Good fun. GH

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Oh Dear, Look I know this will most likely fall on deaf ears, but I would like to keep politics out of SEB. I'm no Trump fan, but when he does something right, I'll give him credit. I find your words disturbing, the US is a very diverse country. Let's try to treat everyone with respect. I don't know how else to heal the vast division in our country.

George H.

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I'd seen the circuit for that and the implementation when I took apart one of the audio oscillators we used in the Navy.

"Like the other HP oscillators, the HP200A is a Wien bridge resistance-tuned audio oscillator using the light-bulb stabilized negative feedback circuit designed by William Hewlett while doing graduate work at Stanford. (Patent #2268872. Application filed in 1939 and granted in 1942)."

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