Low Tech Tips for Previous Wars

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Can you elaborate?

No sex either ;-) ...Jim Thompson

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I love to cook with wine.     Sometimes I even put it in the food.

I met him once at a Chamber of Commerce awards ceremony for graduating high school students, where I garnered all the science and math awards (1958).

Chuck Yeager is a West Virginia country boy like me ;-) ...Jim Thompson

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| James E.Thompson, CTO                            |    mens     |
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I love to cook with wine.     Sometimes I even put it in the food.

"Fred Abse" "Phil Allison"

** An " all flying tail " was fitted to the F86 "E" version during the Korean war.

It improved control at near supersonic speeds and allowed to to out-manoeuvre the MiG 15s.

... Phil

Well it was a while ago but he told how when he was preparing to take the test flight he was never allowed to call it an experimental aircraft. They were never allowed to call any test flights experimental. When he sat in the cockpit on the fateful day he remembered not being very confident in seeing the airspeed indicator only going up to mach one. He mentioned many times that he wanted to be an astronaut. He was not eligible for lack of college. In his training they experimented with the G suit. It was sort of a pneumatic suit that would squeeze his legs to force blood to the brain. He told of playing "chicken" with the German pilots and going into high G maneuvers until tunnel vision occurred and hoping the German would pass-out first. Is there anything specific you would like me to recall?

Tom

In deed he was. He made specific mention of that when he talked of being shot down in Germany. He headed for woods cover. He smiled when he said there was not a German alive that could catch a West Virginny boy in the woods. Tom

Indeed !-) ...Jim Thompson

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I love to cook with wine.     Sometimes I even put it in the food.

ISTR reading somewhere that the earliest Marks of F86 didn't even have swept wings - although the straight wing models may not have been used operationally.

's_laws_of_motion

The P80/F80 Shooting Star, which also saw action in Korea, didn't have swept wings but all F86s did.

The F-86 Sabre was originally designed for the US Navy in 1945 as a straight-winged jet fighter, and was derived from the XJ Fury

I don't see where it says that at all:

"The F-86 Sabre was originally designed for the US Navy in 1945 as a straight-winged jet fighter, and was derived from the XJ Fury. North American Aviation, already famous for its P-51 Mustang and B-25 Billy Mitchell bomber, was put under contract by the US Army Air Force to produce a new jet fighter. Utilizing information captured from the Germans, innovative technologies were employed in transforming the straight-winged ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ XFJ-1 into the swept-wing F-86 Sabre that would dominate the skies over ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Korea in the 1950s."

The Navy's plane wasn't the F86, rather the XFJ-1. Do you have a picture of a straight-winged F86? ...or even a Navy F86?

As I said; I don't know that it was ever used operationally - it was certainly prototyped, and there may have been a production run before its shortcomings became obvious.

AFAIK: all airframes that had been built were retrofitted with swept wings as soon as they became available.

But it did exist.

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This seems to be a more detailed, definitive reference:

http://sabre-pilots.org/classics/v41develop.htm

That document is more like burying in paperwork - I collect and read any aviation e-books I find, maybe nearly a dozen on the F86 alone. Some go into considerable detail in the early development of the type - at leas one has shown a picture of a stright wing F86, AFAICR all airframes produced in that configuration were retrofitted with swept wings as soon as stocks were available, and the assembly line was also changed before any further production.

AFAIK none were deployed operationally, but some may have been flown by military test pilots - that's probably how the found out the straight wings didn't make the predicted speed.

"Ian Field"

** The above article has numerous errors and misleading statements.

Egs:

That the F86 could go supersonic in a shallow dive, instead of a near vertical one in fact ( see any reference on this)

That the F86 possessed a 300 mph advantage over similar straight winged aircraft when flying at sea level - when the advantage is more like 60 to

80mph over types like the F80 ( see relevant Wikis )

That the F86 achieved a 10:1 shoot down advantage over the MiG15 in Korea when the real number is less than 2:1.

See last para.

It is interesting to note that early jets like the F80 and F86 achieved higher speeds near sea level than at high altitude, the reverse of most propeller driven experience. This indicates that the thrust produced from their engines fell away above about 10,000 feet.

... Phil

Seems a few articles on the F86 were written from faded memory.

Having searched through my collection of F86 E-books; I found references to the straight wing predecessor to the F86 which was known variously as FL-1 & XP86 - that was immediately followed by another XP86 that's virtually indistinguishable from a F86.

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Here's an interesting video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O3viiJ4g5G8&feature=related

Very interesting - thanks.