flipping of earth's poles

Yes. The magnetic dipole would disappear and then reexpand (or coalesce However, the angular momentum of the earth doesn't change during this time.

The angular momentum stays in the same direction. The total spin of the earth doesn't change.

However, the angular momentum does "know" the difference between north and south. More important, it knows the difference between north- south pole and an east-west pole. The new magnetic dipole has to be parallel or antiparallel to the angular momentum of the earth.

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Why not? I'm not saying it does, but at some point it will when dynamo action ceases as the core freezes up. At that point all that will be left will be a remanent magnetic field.

therefore it cannot

Magnetic fields don't care about true North. Only people do.

Stuart

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Stuart

Dear Mr Kanga, That link

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is excellent is a milestone in regard to coming events, it needs to be kept preciously to match the irremediable flooding by the sea of previously fresh water Lower Lakes. Things are accelerating at an exponential rate & what is to be noted is the propensity of the Australian population at large to look at anything else but what is stepping on its front door.

Further, as you well know, you have not found a single word of support for your genial discoveries, except from me, bringing a re- lecture of the official History of the world. I, by chance, saw a German documentary related to the Pheonicians on Arte channel, and there was not the slightest hint on the possibility that these people had ties with the Southern Hemisphere part of the World. All was centered on their conquest & pillages of the Mediterranean bordering nations until their fatal meeting with an Egyptian army led by Ramses III.

Likewise the fraudulent Geology, the real History of Mankind is completely blurred by the JIC ( judeo-islamo-christian) sects to not upset their views on the creation of the world & foremost not leading to questioning in relation to previous directions of Earth spin & the high civilizations which existed before such much recent & terrible upheaval took place.... the Sphinx & the great 3 Pyramids being some of what remains of thriving said civilizations & the start again of all Humanity from few poles of survivals to reach the billions of people here now ... all in a mere 12 000 years. Universities brainwashed fools are mind programmed to avoid asking themselves the right questions & Experts indeed in Over-information, Non-information & Misleading-information. The Real or True knowledge which you are bringing forth does not interest those specialists, since the greater vision it opens bring them down to realize that their normal operating system is at the mole level, and to raise up their tunnel vision would certainly tear up the patiently & painful fabric of their illusory approach of the reality.

In this line here for govern some of the dogmas underlying the Fraudulent Geology :

1) Dogma of the creation or accretion of the Earth on present orbit... the principle being of course applied to all planets & satellites either again through the miracle a Magic Wand or the equally miracle of a Big Bang 2) Dogma of attraction of banging masses on a 30 km/ h moving target ( this for Earth) while non rotative aerolithes have no magnetic field & are then not dipole ...hence repelling each others as ALL non- rotative masses do. .. and this what the Newton plagiarist failed to see, to wit the distinguo to be made between rotative & non-rotative Cosmic bodies. 3) Dogma ofStability of Earth & all planets on Ecliptics till Judgment day 4) Dogma Column of Ages established from the degradation ( or reduction) of fossils to formation of the immense Karst reliefs or in clear of all carbonates sediementation of the world. Hutton & Lyell & that imbecile retard of Darwin later founding all their conclusions on the premises indeed that animals bones being carbonates (CO3) in the first place cannot be degraded at the contact of air to return the CO2 to its original gas state, but will compose by piling each others by consecutive layers the immense strata of Limestone, Dolomites as well as Gypsum (related) observed in billions of tons through the whole world. The fact then that whole so-called Scientific Community beuuulieves, in as a mob of sheep in a paddock, such evident inept theories is a clear indication amongst many that the so called Intellectual Elites have degenerated to a point of being unable to think philosophically 5) Dogma of Ice ages & Glaciatons + the one of erosion of Intrusive & Extrusive rocks by water. This is a physical impossibility indeed considering the pressure & temperature of fusion of Ice ( 1 bar, 0=B0C) as well as considering the process of weathering of Mountainous faces attributed by tradesless Universities parasites to the mechanical action of Ice upon material 7 grade higher on the Mohs scale ... his is just like asking a fitter or lathe operator to machine hard steel with a lump of soap ... Such evident incoherence of course is beyond the reach of Oxford, ANU, MIT, Curtin etc Universities fatmouthed Cretins 6) Dogma of the origin of water being in fact the Ouroboros ( snake bitting its tail) & related to the Vitellius cycle 2000 years old primitive observation, while NOT providing any explanation as to where it comes from in the first place... The consequences of such ignorance being the present & inescapable transition of Australia from a live sustaining land to a Great Sandy Desert Island ... this resulting of course by those incompetent & indeed again Universities brainwashed Political Imbeciles in charge of affairs down under !

With best regards

Sir Jean-Paul Turcaud Australia Mining Pioneer Discoverer & Legal Owner of Telfer Mine (Australia largest Copper & Gold Mine) Nifty (Cu) & Kintyre (U, Th) Mines, all in the Great Sandy Desert Exploration Geologist & Offshore Consultant Founder of the True Geology

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Greatest Mining Pioneer of Aus

Is it really exponential, or only look like it in the short term?

Personally, I think we're headed for an asymptote.

Thanks, Rich

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Rich Grise

This is an australian wierdo heading for an asylum.

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Sjouke Burry

Actually, he's a psychotic Frenchman who despises the Australians.

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Michael A. Terrell

A long way off as yet, Richard, while the Coorong & Lower Lakes will be opened this very year.... presently 1m below MSL & falling beyond recovery. Best regards jpturcaud

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Greatest Mining Pioneer of Aus

On Jul 15, 7:09=A0am, oriel36 wrote:

13=A0pm, Darwin123 wrote:

I am breaking my oath never to reply again to this thread. Your statement has that irresistible combination of conceit and ignorance. It sounds like you learned all your physics from Don Findlay. And he is ignorant of physics. Assume that the earth has differential bands of velocity, exactly as predicted by Don Findlay. I don't think it does, but let us accept that as a hypothesis. Furthermore, assume that there is no convection in the earth's core. This is a little stronger than even Don Findlay would assume, but you seem to believe it. According to electromagnetic theory, there is no way a rotating conductor with zero net charge can generate a magnetic field. The neutral conductor has two carriers, positive and negative. Simply spinning the conductor could not cause a magnetic field. A helical motion could generate a magnetic dipole according to electromagnetic theory. Therefore, any model that presumes that a spinning earth causes the magnetic dipole without convection is self contradictory. You seem to believe that the earth;s mantle is too viscous to allow convection currents. Few scientists believe that. However, let us assume that is true just for the argument. After all, the mantle is solid or in a polycrystalline state. That would certainly be viscous. So assume, just for now, that the mantle is too "solid" to form convection cells. Two problems. The core of the earth is not the mantle. The core is a liquid. Therefore, the core would still have convection currents. It is these currents in the liquid core that supposedly cause the earth's dipole. Furthermore, if the core is too viscous to support convection currents it is too viscous to support differential bands of velocity. Therefore, any model that uses "differential bands of velocity" without "convection cells" is self contradictory. There is no mental block that people have with convection cells. There is a mental block that Don Findlay has with physics. Two other things.

1) The phrase "Curie temperature" technically applies only to paramagnetic materials. Ferromagnetic materials do obey a generalization of the Curies law, which differs from Curies law in having a critical temperature. Yes, the earths core is well above the critical temperature. However, Pierre Curie would be slightly irritated with the way you misuse his law. 2) Magnetization is not a magnetic field. The earths core could have zero magnetization and still generate a magnetic dipole. It can do so because it is a conductor. I make no more oaths. However, this is getting boring.
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Darwin123

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Boy,don't you set out your stall !,in any case the development of the idea that rotational dynamics of the viscous interior leaves signatures on the surface crust and on plate motion is actually for people who would enjoy discussing it,yes,even disagreeing with it.

I don't assume the Earth's interior has differential rotation bands,observations of rotating celestial objects in a viscous state display two things - differential rotation bands and deviation in sphericity organised around the objects rotational architecture,in other words,the distance across the poles is shorter than the distance across the Equatorial region.

So,you are probably better retaking that oath and sticking with it.

Furthermore, assume that there is no

You have certainly some game going on and maybe you should address Don Findlay on the matter,I don't consider 'convection cells' any longer as the mechanism for crustal evolution ,in geographical terms,differential rotation and a sort of lag/advance mechanism between the differential rotation bands is more than adequate to explain the Mid Atlantic ridge and symmetrical generation of crust either side of the ridge in a more detailed sense but in broad outlines I find it easier to link latitudinal differences in rotational speeds of the interior viscous composition with the planet's spherical deviation and with crustal dynamics.

As the rotational idea has been under construction for years,being freed of the need of 'convection cells' ,I still await somebody who can move between disciplines just as Wegener did it in providing the outlines of continental separation,in fact,I have no objection to convections cells or earth expansion as an alternative view,it is just that I have no intention or no inkling to deal with them.

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Grow up for goodness sake,a rotating celestial object requires an appreciation of scale therefore these bench top analogies are just not appropriate and without have to make digression into this empirical idea that you can transfer table-top ideas into the scale of planets or stars,it would be nice to fine someone who can drop the pretension and interpret data already before people in a broad view.The dismal fact is that scientists work off the idea that 1 degree of geographical/geological separation is 1674.4 km making a nonsensical

40,200 km Equatorial circumference so whatever you may think of your own spectacular fireworks,I can't shake the horrible fact that people now can't tell the basic planetary facts,dimensions and the length of time to turn once.

I am trying to discuss the effects of a rotating Earth - a person in Western America feels an Earth tremor as a direct result of the dynamics beneath the fractured crust affecting the crust itself by moving it.You are effectively speaking to yourself or preaching to the few here who are left because,get this - I do not have any interest in a stationary' Earth thermal driven 'convection cells' which cannot link the two largest features together - planetary shape and the mid Atlantic ridge.

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I am not throwing good information after bad,the orientation and the sheer distance of the mid Atlantic ridge requires a mechanism that can support the feature and while you may detest rotational dynamics,you have plenty of company,what I will say is that the interior composition of the Earth designed around rotational dynamics or rather fluid dynamics is completely different but this is suppose to cause curiousity,excitement or what have you in trying to match the dynamics which cause the Earth to deviate from a perfect sphere with the offshoot which is geological evolution of the fractured crust.

Suit yourself.People who wish to consider the motions of the planet for geological purposes will have to retrace the steps of brilliant people who went before them even though the empirical method has obscured those footsteps by and large.It is a joy to take that journey with modern imaging,a little intelligence,a healthy curious nature,a little speculation,more interpretation and just a genuine admiration for the magnificence of geology and the forces that shape it.One of these forces happens to be the rotation of the Earth and it should not be an exercise in pulling teeth to get a discussion up and running,that it is only highlights the corner the empirical method paints people into through its tendency to reduce things to a human level.For instance,when guys discuss earth expansion or convections cells,they throw around speculative notions without paying attention as to what is going on elsewhere,in this case stellar rotational dynamics/differential rotation and spherical deviation while it is just easier to borrow differential rotation band and apply it to the Earth's rotating viscous interior,it is something nobody else shares.I don't complain about it as it is a new approach and will eventually show up anyway if the GOCE satellite does its job properly.

Oaths are great,I often make and then break them which is fine if it is done for a better reason and it is bewildering to see guys express science as a vibrant exercise when they can't change conceptual direction even when data basically tells them to,rotational dynamics of the interior being just one example of many.

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The Earth's magnetosphere would need to degenerate for the phenomenon of magnetic pole flip. Since the field cannot leave the flip is impossible.

Mitch Raemsch

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BURT

The Earth's magnetosphere would need to degenerate for the phenomenon of magnetic pole flip. Since the field cannot leave the flip is impossible.

Mitch Raemsch

This seems to be an excellent example of Reasoning triumphing over Reality.

Bill Miller

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Bill Miller

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Its never been observed. Therefore science can't even claim it is real. Everything is explained by the drift of the magnetosphere's orientation.

Mitch Raemsch

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BURT

Clearly you're very far behind the current crop of loonies. I really hope that most of the posters in the thread below are joking. Warning: don't read while drinking coffee unless your monitor is waterproof.

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Rich Webb

Its never been observed. Therefore science can't even claim it is real. Everything is explained by the drift of the magnetosphere's orientation.

Mitch Raemsch

Extending that logic just a bit, nothing that YOU did not witness did not happen.

In science, as in life, we cannot know everything. So we have to rely on observations provided by third parties.

You said that, "Everything is explained by the drift of the magnetosphere's orientation."

First, other than your saying it, what eveidence do you cite? Second, at what point does a drift become a flip?

It appears true that there have been any number of instances wherein the pole has "wandered" somewhat dramatically. (The pole is doing so right now.) And, as the pole has wandered, so has the magnetosphere. But after some period of "wandering," the pole has returned to its earlier origins.

Other instances are documented wherein the wandering did not stop, and a flip occcurred.

But since I was not present at the time, I must not be telling the truth, because I cannot personally testify that I observed the poles flip.

Bill

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Bill Miller

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No observation really means you have no proof. It is also theoretically void since the magnetosphere cannot degenerate. My refrigerator magnet has never flipped. This has never been observed at any scale.

Mitch Raemsch

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BURT

No observation really means you have no proof. It is also theoretically void since the magnetosphere cannot degenerate. My refrigerator magnet has never flipped. This has never been observed at any scale.

Mitch Raemsch

After looking at your replies, and this lists that you are copying, I finally realize that you are a troll.

My apologies to others on this list for not realizing this sooner.

Bill

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Bill Miller

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Which direction does the north pole move? Is it north to south?

I say it must be either West to East or East to West in order to make the difference that we are measuring.

Mitch Raemsch

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BURT

Maybe not, but the sea floor has a pretty convincing record.

Except on a geological one:

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And the Basic Electronics portion of your post is?

Hope This Helps! Rich

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Rich Grise

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What are they measuring geologically then?

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BURT

Trolling, what else??? Because about physics he knows naught.

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