That's what i thought when i bought about 4 boxes a year ago. They were total crap, some gave errors on the same day i used them, i thought i had a bad drive, until i tried it on an old box with vgacopy, most of the surface gives weak signal, even if the disk is not giving you errors (yet). Stay away from them. I used to love the blue cd-r, still have some, about 10 years old, working fine.