US Looks to Block Chinese Grad Students? and Resea rchers? Visas

When the buyer has deep pockets the seller raises the price, obviously. If you had an old junker and a movie studio wanted to buy it, would you ask the same price you would from a scrap yard?

The GI Bill should have been given as cash payments so the vets could go to college or start a business or anything else, and then the schools wouldn't be staffed with 10x the number of faculty per student than they used to have.

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Tom Del Rosso
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It isn't even faculty, it's all sorts of featherbedding that has zilch to do with education and research.

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Phil Hobbs

Er... no, the GI bill worked fine just the way it was intended. Long-term investment, in people, largely bypassing investment bankers (who can only handle business plans on a nonpersonal scale). It required a student to keep up with his studies, so the individual put his sweat equity into the mix.

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whit3rd

t plans to cancel visas for Chinese nationals who are already conducting re search in the US and who have ties to universities affiliated with China? ??s military?a policy that would affect some 3,000 students, ac cording to the Times.

s about these people making any kind of essential contributions to anything . That's total bullshit.

regardless of national origin.

No, we should not kick them out, just block them any access to Science and Engineering. We should let them learn American history and political scien ce; so they can corrupt their communistic idea when they get back.

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edward.ming.lee

I was wrong about the "nail polish" it's actually toilet-bowl cleanser similar to:

Couldn't quite make out the john on the package. Also this isn't even Chinese toilet-bowl cleanser and foot-treatments this is all Japanese dollar-store stuff!

What the hell. She's not that cheap, nobody's getting an A for this gift box!

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bitrex

Teachers generally prefer apples.

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jlarkin

They do prefer it when the students can stay off their phones for a while. The university implemented a "no fuss/no conflict" policy regarding phone use during class time the professor just makes a note who has their phone out for about how long and the final grade point deduction (some percentage * total minutes) at the end of the course is automatic, no appeals. The policy is made clear at the beginning of the semester, one time, and then it doesn't need to be brought up again.

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bitrex

It's a waste of everyone's time and money to pay teachers at that level to be babysitters, the consequences can self-enforce.

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bitrex

I think you're overestimating how "overstaffed" the university faculties are, unless you're PhD or PhD-track there's no long-term place for you in academia you aren't shit.

Among adjuncts turnover is high, the workload is heavy and the pay isn't that great, and there's age-ism. You're 35 and what are you still doing here being an adjunct? managing-out starts, there's fresh meat who are younger with PhD-track or newly-minted masters will do your job for less.

Universities try to cut costs by shoving a large part of the workload onto a minimum number of low-paid high-turnover employees same as many other businesses

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bitrex

The inflation of price can also be explained in part by market principles: pricing strategy. There's no "no-haggle" price at a private university like it is a Saturn dealership or something. Nobody pays the same price.

You set the sticker-price high to bilk the people who will pay it no questions asked. And then you offer discounts to the people who might not be able to pay full price today, but look like good prospects for repeat customers (endowments, perhaps.) For you only: special discount today! And you shape your customer-base to maximize revenue.

It's a business hustle as old as sales.

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bitrex

That is to say the university system's bread-and-butter is wealthy parents with dumb kids.

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bitrex

Republicans have been cutting funding whenever they get a chance for four decades, that's part of why private and public universities alike enjoy bringing these Chinese students in. Their families are baller with millions of $$$ to throw around and Americans on average be broke, yo.

But there are also more wealthy Americans than ever before, too, so if the right thinks they're going to put the university system out-of-business that way it hasn't happened in 40 years of regular cutbacks soooo...don't know what you're hoping for.

Some smaller schools will continue to go out of businesses and the bigger ones will charge whatever they like, someone will pay it and you can't push papers at a car dealership without a bachelors, these days. I fully expect they'll keep requiring the paper too it's great gate-keeping, they don't care how many Americans don't have it they're not a high-school-diploma-only job-placement service. People who don't have college degrees tend to be riskier employees it's the equivalent of your auto insurance looking at your credit score first thing.

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bitrex

Like Phil said, it's mostly "staff", not faculty.

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Tom Del Rosso

So you want to serve the collective instead of the individual. Then require them to keep their hair cut and their beds made and shoes shined, since you want the money to be conditional on managing their lives like they were still in the army, instead of a reward for having already been in it.

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Tom Del Rosso

UMass Amherst as an example has a student population undergrad and grad of around 30k; ballpark just looking over their public records they probably have about 50-100 top functionaries and administrators who are making the big Gs, perhaps in aggregate what the profs make, around 1k professors who are making about 80-100 grand in the mean (lions share of the mean swung towards the tenure profs), and maybe another 5k general paper-pushers, admissions, librarians, IT workers, maintenance, security, food service, janitors, tour guides, etc. all the people you need to keep 2,000 acres of campus running who are making in aggregate what the other two categories make

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bitrex

Best place to work as a public employee in Massachusetts is the Boston Police Department, the top 50 officers all make over 250k/yr and a couple clock in at over 400k/year, if you include overtime and detail work. The fire department is similar but not as high figures.

They do tend to be able to arrest people regularly without killing them so the maxim "you get what you pay for" may apply.

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bitrex

Yeah, so look at how much the ratio of students and staff has changed. I don't remember the numbers and don't want to look it up now, so you need not rush to it either. Just look out for it.

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Tom Del Rosso

That's because JFK let them unionize. FDR didn't because there would be no limit to what they could demand. So we pay confiscatory property tax and pass it down to renters who pay 2 weeks salary per month instead of

1 week like they used to. Then Democrat community leaders complain that rent is "too damn high."
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Tom Del Rosso

Lol, they're not going to "corrupt" anything, these students have got the best capitalism-with-Chinese-characteristics and their parents $$$ could provide for them their whole lives. They're more American than you are, if you ain't 'bout money best be gone.

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bitrex

Go around expelling Chinese students and at least in this area you're gonna put at least half the BMW and Cadillac dealers out of business. :(

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bitrex

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