Universal Health "Care"

Are you talking about universal health care or socialized medicine, or do y ou even know? No one in this country is advocating for government provided health care. They are advocating for extending Medicare to everybody. The a ctual delivery of the health care remains private industry.

Rubbish on so many counts. I hope Alfie gets to go to Italy so you can see that they are not promising to prolong his life in any meaningful (except perhaps Catholic) way. BTW the word is "incompetence".

Mike.

I have no dog in a religion fight. So why won't the Brit courts let him go?

Over on this side of the pond we love such obstinacy... helps us to at least retard the ooze of a socialistic style of government, where the government always knows best.

BTW, It exists in my dictionary ;-) ...Jim Thompson

You are fantastically misinformed and ignorant. He would have been dead long since in the USA if his parents were not multimillionaires.

How long do you think Stephen Hawking would have lasted under the US medical system? Probably not even old enough to write his first book. He has said as much:

The poor child has been kept alive artificially for too long already to suffer needlessly with no prospect of ever getting better. It is an incredibly tragic case and an extremely cruel genetic disease but has been widely misreported by religious zealots who seem to think that the Pope can perform a miracle cure for encephalomyopathic mitochondrial DNA depletion syndrome (RRM2B deficiency).

I'd be prepared to let him go to the US or Rome for treatment if only to avoid having death threats made against UK medics by ignorant Americans.

That the medics have been able to keep the poor unfortunate child alive for so long is a clear demonstration of their technical ability. This is a fairly balanced report of the timeline from nearly a year ago.

And here is what US NIH has to say about the disease. There is no effective treatment only amelioration of the symptoms is possible.

The only thing that is a bit unfortunate is that under the circumstances it might have been worth trying an untested unlicensed drug sooner but that in itself poses very difficult ethical and legal questions.

I think you are extraordinarily ignorant. Neither the Pope's imaginary friend nor his doctors can help Alfie, and I hope the poor lad dies soon.

Yours is a very good example of the depths to which ideologues will sink. Disgusting.

Cheers

you even know? No one in this country is advocating for government provide d health care. They are advocating for extending Medicare to everybody. The actual delivery of the health care remains private industry.

Or course. Let's fix one problem at a time.

Rick C.

The courts ruled in error, the parents have every right to seek treatment elseware.

Cheer

You have you head so far up your ass you have become totally blind.

Answer the simple question: WHY won't the Brit authorities release Alfie? They'd be better off politically if Alfie died while under Italian/Vatican care. It's a power thing.

Sure the hell glad _I_ don't have to "live" under such an authoritarian government. ...Jim Thompson

The word exists. The distinction is whether it is abstract or applied in a specific case. Or is that too subtle?

Mike.

fredag den 27. april 2018 kl. 00.40.26 UTC+2 skrev Jim Thompson:

or the courts protecting the child from anymore pointless suffering since the parents are in denial and won't

How do you know of this "suffering"?

Face it, it's a power thing. ...Jim Thompson

Unlikely.

It's not got anything to do with socialised medicine, and everything to do with crazed parents with silly ideas getting their situation into the legal system.

Not when the only possible outcome it to the detriment of the child.

It is a requirement in the UK that treatment should be for the benefit of the sick patient and not for the placation of the desperate parents who it seems will grasp at any snake oil miracle cures.

Exactly. I guess that, even in the red-neck USA, children, like wives, are no longer chattels to be done with as the owner wishes. Children have rights (in the UK, anyway) which can be adjudicated to take precedence over the wishes (not rights) of the parents.

Similar cases arise when the patient, of any age, is in a persistent vegetative state.

Mike.

Nonsense.

In the US he would either - have been "written off" long ago, if the family had no health insurance (as would Stephen Hawking!) - been kept alive until the insurance pot was exhausted, and the entire family would not have any insurance

That's no more sense than, as is apparently happening in this case: - anti-vaxxers are claiming this demonstrates vaccines are bad - gun-nuts claiming this demonstrates all government is bad

Looking in the mirror when you wrote that were you.

Best interests of the patient are paramount in the UK. Being kept alive artificially to suffer with no prospect of recovery is not acceptable no matter what ignorant uninformed Americans and the Pope may say.

The government plays no part in this matter. It is the judiciary who gets to decide between the competing claims of the parents who want to try any snake oil magic "Cure" they can find and the medical experts.

America is a great place to be healthy, wealthy and in work but lose any one of those three and you will surely lose them all.

So why won't they release Alfie... if he isn't already dead (I haven't checked the headlines yet this A.M.)?

It's all about power.

As for Coons, an ignorant POS spouting nonsense about the US that he can't back with facts.

(For the ignorant y(uk)eys, POS doesn't stand for point-of-sale.)

We remain superior and that just eats into your craw >:-}

Plonk ...Jim Thompson

Actually, I'm only singular ;-) I only "spouted" a guess. Are you saying that in the USA children (or wives) *are* chattels? Do you know any facts?

Mike.

Where are you from? The lifetime maximum left town when the ACA arrived. Of course, that may change if Trump remains in power, but that's not too li kely. There is only the slimmest chance he will be reelected. If were are attacked by the Islamic fundamentalists again, that might tip the scales i n his favor.

Choose your poison.

Rick C.