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| James E.Thompson                                 |    mens     | 
| Analog Innovations                               |     et      | 
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Zero emission vehicles charged up on electricity generated by coal, probably.

There isn't enough generating capacity anyway, not by a long way.

If they started building nuclear power stations, lots of them, now...

So, it's not going to happen.

Sylvia.

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Sylvia Else

So, this is the German "Auto-Ban"? Although I am a strong proponent of EVs, it seems rather stupid to ban the ICE. Germany, and other countries, should discourage the use of fossil fuels by taxing them, and using those taxes for subsidies, rebates, and other incentives for using EVs and sustainable, renewable energy sources in general. Bans, and the associated penalties and prosecution for non-compliance, is heavy handed and abusive, and not as simple and effective as a simple consumption tax.

Paul

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Rounding up all leftists and doing the ditch and bulldozer routine would save more energy >:-} ...Jim Thompson

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| James E.Thompson                                 |    mens     | 
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It's not so much energy that needs saving, as CO2 emissions.

If we could take all the rightists out of their muscle cars, and put them on bicycles, we could reduce CO2 emissions even more effectively than Jim's plan. would.

In fact the combustion-engine "ban" would be more like a gradual phasing out, with progressively more punitive taxes to encourage people to put up with electric cars.

As was long ago pointed out in the Proceedings of the IEEE, car engines generate more power than regular generators, and providing the (renewable) energy generation plant to power all the new electric cars isn't going to happen quickly.

Of course if we don't cut CO2 emissions, the more powerful hurricanes that you get with a warmer climate will wash away enough of the US east coast to reduce CO2 emissions quite a lot.

The US would win a Darwin award in the process.

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Germany knows what it's doing. If there's something about their plan that confuses you, it means you're not trying hard enough. All you need to know is that if you're in disagreement, you're wrong.

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They won't be able to do it when the time comes. It's just like any political promise.

NT

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Unlikely. The Germans can do physics.

Not yet.

That would work. They'd have to build proper nuclear waste dumps, and we've not got around to that in sixty years.

The Germans are more interested in building massive solar farms in the Saha ra, and equally massive, very high voltage, power links from there to Germa ny.

Sure. Anthropogenic global warming is going to get bad enough to cause a se rious population crash which will cut CO2 emissions in a perfectly natural way. No right-wing nitwit believes that this is going to happen, so they ca n't imagine why anybody would put any effort into preventing it, and dream up irrational conspiracy theories to explain why the better-informed seem t o be trying to.

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That's what I thought when they said they were ditching nuclear power.

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Thanks for the reminder, I had completely forgotten about that. So I looked it up and find that this is supposed to happen by 2022. Also, coal goes ou t in 2018.

So I guess if they cover the whole country with soap cells maybe 10 % of th em can have a car. The rest will have to walk.

That is what liberals have become, they write "progressive" checks their as s can't cash because I guess when they take those college courses they forg et basic math.

Really, how do they expect to charge all these cars ? And you can't ride a bike part of the year there. You also cannot ship furniture, TV sets, even go grocery shopping on a bike. Well maybe they can because Europeans do lik e their food fresh. But still, how does that side of beef and produce get t o the store ?

Even with the best of batteries I want to see them drive a truck, just from Austria let's say full of produce or whatever, on batteries.

And they will have to because if they depend on solar they're going to need to cover the whole country with panels and there will be no room left to g row any of their own food.

Let's see what happens in 2018. If they're phasing out nuclear power they p robably aren't building any new plants. Solar is not getting more efficient anytime soon because if it could it would. Everybody and their stepson is working on it because a more efficient solar panel is a very valuable commo dity. That was the idea of Solyndra but because they don't understand how t o look at the market and learn why big money wasn't in on it (much) they wa sted millions of our money. More liberal dumb shit.

Democrats were not always that way. It seems they have adopted the European view. Socialist. But not really, Sanders is a self proclaimed socialist bu t he seems to have alot more brains. And you certainly can't call today's r epublicans conservative. Now hardly, not even softly. They believe in a wel fare state, but for the rich. But then again they are paid well.

I guess in 2018 we should start watching news about Germany. See how many p ower outages they have per week. I'm sure that'll help their productivity. LOL

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Which won't expose them to extortion by tin-pot African states, of course.

Sylvia

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On Thursday, October 13, 2016 at 2:28:34 AM UTC+11, snipped-for-privacy@gmail.com wrote :

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ed it up and find that this is supposed to happen by 2022. Also, coal goes out in 2018.

them can have a car. The rest will have to walk.

If they did cover the whole country with solar power cells you'd have a lot more energy to play with than we currently generate.

Getting enough batteries to give everybody a car might exhaust some raw mat erial or other, but there'd be enough power to charge every battery we coul d manufacture, and probably enough batteries to give everybody an electric bicycle.

ass can't cash because I guess when they take those college courses they fo rget basic math.

bike part of the year there.

I rode a bike all year round in the Netherlands. Snow on the ground is a nu isance, but they keep the bike paths and roads salted. When we go back, I d o our shopping on a bike - a car is easier, but it's not worth keeping one locked up there for most of the year just for shopping when we are there. E uropean cities are more densely populated than their US equivalents.

ke. Well maybe they can because Europeans do like their food fresh. But sti ll, how does that side of beef and produce get to the store ?

Electric trucks work for moving bulk goods around. There are a lot fewer of them than there are domestic cars.

om Austria let's say full of produce or whatever, on batteries.

They'd recharge the batteries along the way, just as they fill up the truck s with petrol or diesel at the moment. They might swap battery packs for fa ster refuelling.

ed to cover the whole country with panels and there will be no room left to grow any of their own food.

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Our energy use is about 0.012% of the solar energy hitting the earth.

The German plan is to cover a lot of the Sahara with solar cells and to bui ld a massive very high voltage transmission system to ship the power north.

There'd still be plenty of land left for growing crops - it's not as if the Sahara is the most productive agricultural land on the planet.

The usual estimate is that you'd need cover about 1% of the land mass to ma tch today's generators, and there's plenty of land which isn't potential fa rm land or actual forest which you could use for the job.

probably aren't building any new plants. Solar is not getting more efficie nt anytime soon because if it could it would. Everybody and their stepson i s working on it because a more efficient solar panel is a very valuable com modity. That was the idea of Solyndra but because they don't understand how to look at the market and learn why big money wasn't in on it (much) they wasted millions of our money. More liberal dumb shit.

Solyandra was a commercial and technical disaster, but the people who'd had the idea were too dumb to realise it, and fooled the rest of the world as well.

Solar doesn't have to get any more efficient. You just need a bigger area o f solar cells (which is just mass production).

an view. Socialist. But not really, Sanders is a self proclaimed socialist but he seems to have a lot more brains.

You don't understand the sort of socialism he was proposing - which is esse ntially German/Scandinavian democratic socialism, which has nothing to do w ith communism - the ideological streams split in 1870.

not even softly. They believe in a welfare state, but for the rich. But th en again they are paid well.

Much too well.

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The US Gini index is about 0.45, Sweden's about 0.25. Anything up to about

0.35 more or less works. Above that and your society is starting to come ap art.

power outages they have per week. I'm sure that'll help their productivit y. LOL

It wouldn't. But running a power network is all about covering the times wh en some local power sources can't supply the load.

Europe has country-to-country transmission links to allow international pow er transfers to cover exactly that. There's a cross-channel power cable bet ween France and the UK and has been since 1961

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Back in 1961 it was a 160MW bidirectional link. It's now about 2000MW.

There are plenty of others. Try not to be quite so obviously ignorant - it makes you look stupid, and you aren't.

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It might be one of the explanations of why NATO was so ready to go after Gaddafi when he started suppressing a revolt within his own borders in a way that caused a lot of civilian casualties.

Tin-pot states can usually work out what they can get away with, and what can lead to sudden regime change.

I suspect that any Saharan state with a lot of solar cells within it's borders would become a member of the European Union, with rather circumscribed exit options.

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It also seems likely to me that people will want to charge up their electric vehicles overnight, when solar isn't available. This implies additional storage, either at the owners home, or at the utility.

Sylvia.

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There are a number of different types of solar. Molten salt can be stored and used for steam generation at night. There are also liquid batteries.

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I came here for a dose of psycho Thompson. I am amused by his mental degeneration. Him and his ilk want to turn the US into a Rowanda. 'k But tech-talk is more rational after all.

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