Tax Refunds are less this year, must be Trumps fault

Who did what exactly? The big decline in the US auto manufacturers was in the 70s and 80s, when they ignored the foreign competition that was turning out a much higher quality product, with better reliability, better MPG, etc. They and the unions screwed the pooch. Don't blame the consumers. And right now we have 3% unemployment, BTW.

No, but it means they are creating jobs here, which is what you were bemoaning about just above.

Nil? Really? Even welfare queens have AC, big screen TVs, internet. And if the std of living is nil, rather odd all the driveways with two or three cars, high school parking lots full, everybody with a iPhone, big screen TVs, lots of people in McMansions that are middle class.

Oh my, price inflation? Not much here in the last couple decades, that's for sure.

snipped-for-privacy@optonline.net wrote in news:51862bdc-bc75-4793-a6f7- snipped-for-privacy@googlegroups.com:

That's only about 5.5 million working age folks.

Only... It should be near nil. 3% is hardly that. And those numbers are off. The actual number of non-working, able folks is bigger than the number you give.

You're an idiot. We made cheap cars just so every American could afford one. So too many corners were cut. Ya don't just turn your backs on the industries that built your nation, dipshit.

We could very easily have 'stepped to the pump' the foreign folks were offering. The fact that so many Americans abandoned their own car brands only means they didn't have enough brains to see the resulting impact.

snipped-for-privacy@optonline.net wrote in news:d0bd9786-283d-46d0-bd4b- snipped-for-privacy@googlegroups.com:

You're a goddamned child. A FAT punk bitch, at best.

And what morons like Sloman don't like to be reminded of is that the KKK was founded by and its ideals propagated by his precious Democratic Party.

There's a reason why his initials are BS. Unless you like arguing just for the sake of it, I suggest you KF Sloman. You will *never* win him over with reason. He and bitrex are two of the biggest trolls on this newsgroup. Neither of them can see that it's THEY who are by far the biggest racists here.

Like K says, always wrong. Try taking an economics class. Until quite recently, 5% unemployment was considered full employment and normal. There is always going to be some percentage that are between jobs, choose not to work at least temporarily, etc.

Yes, and foreign competition made even cheaper and more reliable cars. I never suggested everyone did or should turn their backs on the US car industry. Consumers aren't stupid, like you. They look at all the alternatives, figure out what's the best product, the best value, and they make their choice. Competition from Japan started in the 60s. Detroit ignored it, by the 70s and 80s, Japan was turning out great product and good prices. A big part was also the unions, that had the big three by the throat. Not only ridiculously high labor costs, but also work rules that resulted in 2 workers where only one was needed. US consumers made their choice. That's how free markets work. You're a hoot. You keep bringing up Trump and how you obviously hate him, yet here you are, thinking just like him. Actually, you're much worse, because in another post you complained about foreign car companies having plants here! Those plants create jobs just like any other plant. Even Trump isn't that stupid, he's welcoming that, trying to get more of it, as he should.

What they saw was the poor US quality, the poor reliability and the better foreign alternative. That's how FREE markets work. And if they instead were forced into US crappy cars, today we'd still have crappy US cars.

snipped-for-privacy@optonline.net wrote in news:7618a07f-1371-452c-905c- snipped-for-privacy@googlegroups.com:

Bullshit. They were just an incomplete patch, at best. They are STILL doing that in every city, some more than others, and it comes nowhere near being able to do the job you seem to think it was ever successful at.

You seem to be oblivious to population change, much less about a hundred other factors.

Compellingly self-evident to anyone with an open mind. Sadly, those you are attempting to debate with here only believe their own bullshit. Reason won't win them round. BTW, Sloman is not just immensely ignorant (as you have discovered for yourself) he's also vain, supercilious and downright evil, as you will find out if you have the fortitude to argue with him for any length of time.

Yes, and here's why:

What total morons like Cursitor Doom are happy to ignore is that the original KKK was founded in 1866. It was anti-Republican, and to that extent served the interests of the Democratic Party (which was rather different then from what it is now).

It got rooted out within a few years, and the 1915 revival invented a new organisation which wasn't aligned with either the Democratic or the Republican Party. That version eventually fell apart and didn't exist after 1944.

The third version of the KKK arose in the 1950's as a reaction against the Civil Rights Movement.

The national Democratic Party supported the Civil Rights Movement, but southern Democrats were less sympathetic, and mostly stopped being Democrats.

Strom Thurmond eventually switched to the Republican party.

Cursitor Doom has never tried, wouldn't recognise reason if it were shoved down his throat, and seems to be perfectly incapable of constructing any ki nd of rational argument. The gullible fool may think that the right-wing tw addle that he cuts and pastes from the Daily Mail and Russia Today is "reas oned argument" but he's sadly and persistently wrong.

Cursitor Doom is much too modest. He's certainly the most active troll we'v e got.

He does believe a lot of total nonsense, so he may sincerely think that I'm a racist and that bitrex is a racist, but this just reflects his utter stu pidity.

Cursitor Doom's mind is wide open to any kind of right-wing nonsense. It does have to be right-wing, and it does have to be nonsense.

Not true at all. Cursitor Doom and John Larkin beleive other people's bullshit, and don't seem to bother inventing any that is uniquely theirs.

How would Cursitor Doom know? He's never tried reasoned argument, and doesn't seem to recognise it when other people serve it up to him.

I'm not so much immensely ignorant of the things that Cursitor Doom thinks that I ought to know, as totally unwilling to throw out the facts that I have been able to master to make room for demented fantasies that he peddles.

It may strike him as vain of me to think that I know more than he does, and it's hard not to be supercilious about the twaddle he peddles (at least if you want to retain some vestige of intellectual respectability).

"Evil" does seem to be a value judgement, and Cursitor Doom's judgement isn't impressive. I'd be a lot more worried if he started to approve of me.

But what they were doing produced the SAME poverty rate that we have today, after spending trillions of money on welfare and continuing to do so. Less money, from mostly private sources, produced the same poverty level. Now, trillions of dollars later, we have generations that live off of welfare and we also have record low unemployment. There are jobs for those willing to work.

They are

You're oblivious to the fact that the poverty rate today is the same as it was 50+ years ago, when the war on poverty began.

snipped-for-privacy@optonline.net wrote in news: snipped-for-privacy@googlegroups.com:

You are oblivious to the fact that the very definition of poverty has changed, because of the obliteration of the middle class.

Much less whatever your precious 'poverty rate' means. Yet another stupid stat most likely.

You still seem to think that a single income is what operates a household.

You are about as clueless as it gets.

You'll *never* set him straight. The bloke is a total moron and deeply committed to remaining so.

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The "mainstream right" stands for spend, spend, spend on all sorts of stuff like it's going out of style and making handouts and kickbacks to their corporate buddies as often as possible. and then wrapping that up in some God and country patriotic free-market theory BS to sell it.

In exchange the average American will get some piddly little tax break like 500 bucks. They think it's hilarious how cheap Americans can be bought.

And the "alt-right" is just what national socialism calls itself nowadays they never really went away. it used to be called "third position" in Europe. it's had a lot of names.

And that David Duke who was the Grand Master or whatever for a time was a democrat.

I'm always surprised how many old-timers here, even, admit they were Communists in the 60s and 70s.

Really? a real communist like with red-book and all? Wow. you don't say.

And *ALL* of the left lies.