What more proof does an idiot need. Does an idiot not know that all major c ivil engineering projects are designed to specifications derived from NWS w eather data (among other variabes obviously)? The idiot, who previously sta ted we don't even have weather records going back 500 years, need not respo nd.
civil engineering projects are designed to specifications derived from NWS weather data (among other variabes obviously)? The idiot, who previously s tated we don't even have weather records going back 500 years, need not res pond.
Speaking of clever, this guy's revived the 1917 flu virus--the pandemic that killed half a million people its first year--and made it more infectious, just in case we needed that.
Cheers, James Arthur
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or civil engineering projects are designed to specifications derived from N WS weather data (among other variabes obviously)? The idiot, who previously stated we don't even have weather records going back 500 years, need not r espond.
Check that--Wikipedia says 50-to-100 million dead, a million a week in the first weeks.
Thanks Professor Gadget, for making it even funner(tm)!
Cheers, James Arthur
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ajor civil engineering projects are designed to specifications derived from NWS weather data (among other variabes obviously)? The idiot, who previous ly stated we don't even have weather records going back 500 years, need not respond.
that killed half a million people its first year--and made it more infectio us, just in case we needed that.
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You've got a choice. Wait until nature invents the deadlier version on its own, and demonstrates that it works by killing a few million previously hea lth young adults, or make it the lab - where it won't kill anybody unless a ll the elaborate safety measures get screwed up at once - and work out how you'd vaccinate against it.
Since every Tea Party supporter absolutely knows that government can't do a nything right (except fight wars against other human, usually for remarkabl y stupid reasons) this wouldn't strike you as a reasonable thing to do, not that your idea of "reasonable" has much to do with reasoning.
The 1917 flu virus did have a couple of advantages that it's modern counter part might miss. The civilian population wasn't all that health in 1917 - f ood shortages etc - and lots of more or less healthy young male adults were crammed together in army barracks and transit camps.
-- Bill Sloman, Sydney
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s own, and demonstrates that it works by killing a few million previously h ealth young adults, or make it the lab - where it won't kill anybody unless all the elaborate safety measures get screwed up at once - and work out ho w you'd vaccinate against it.
You mean it's best not to wait until nature digs up a frozen corpse from 19
18, isolates the nastiest of nasties, then repeatedly selects generation after generation in a petri dish for resistance to human immune systems, and increased transmissibility?Good point. We ought to make a drug resistant malaria and super insecticid e- resistant mosquito to carry it, too. Not to mention TB. That way we'll be at Mother Nature to the punchline.
Cheers, James Arthur
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its own, and demonstrates that it works by killing a few million previously health young adults, or make it the lab - where it won't kill anybody unle ss all the elaborate safety measures get screwed up at once - and work out how you'd vaccinate against it.
1918, isolates the nastiest of nasties, then repeatedly selects generation after generation in a petri dish for resistance to human immune systems, and incr eased transmissibility?Nature doesn't have to bother digging up frozen corpses - there's plenty of swine flu circulating in pigs and it's mutating all the time. The next tim e a mutation comes up which can survive and thrive in the human nasal tract and lungs, the new version won't be quite the same as the last one that di d it.
ide- resistant mosquito to carry it, too. Not to mention TB. That way we' ll beat Mother Nature to the punchline.
We've done all three but not - sadly - in the lab under controlled conditio ns, but in the wild. Where did you think that multiple-drug-resistant TB ca me from?
Agribusiness routinely dosing cattle with antibiotics - because it helps th em gain weight faster - has bred a bunch of anti-biotic resistant super-bug s.
It's about as stupid as keeping on burning fossil carbon for fuel, but sinc e it also makes a bunch of fat cats big profits, nobody is doing anything w orthwhile to stop it.
-- Bill Sloman, Sydney
I disagree. This isn't research intended to help fight the flu virus it is bioweapons research and very risky indeed since we know that US "secure" establishments have haemorraged weaponised anthrax before.
There is no excuse for researching human transmissible flu and making it completely lethal and able to evade the human immune system entirely (unless you are hostile alien invaders wanting get rid of humans).
It is like applying a crowbar to Pandora's box!
It might just about be worth doing it on bird flu with sufficiently good containment to ensure that it never escapes into the wild.
Deadly to infected humans but not human to human transmissible is not pandemic flu and burns out quickly without spreading far.
Understanding the gene sequences that matter could be useful but making flu more virulent like this is weaponisation *NOT* scientific research. The next stage of this research would be to make it lock on to specific genetic markers present only in populations that you don't like.
Playing about with pandemic human flu strains to make them ever more lethal is just asking for trouble. Researchers can and do make mistakes.
A modern one would be aided by the fact that the transit time around the world today would be measured in hours rather than days or weeks.
Ebola is looking nasty again in Africa too.
-- Regards, Martin Brown
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eThe people back then were godammed morons, they thought it was more importa nt to fight a pathetically wasteful and unnecesary war to the exclusion of every other consideraion so they got what they deserved. By modern standard s the 1918 pandemic was a joke and wouldn't amount to anything. Contrary to popular belief, the lethality of influenza respiratory infection is due to the immune response and not the lack of it, viz. the mortality of the Span ish flu was highest among people in the prime of life with strongest immune response and not so lethal among infants and the old and infirm. When H1N1 broke, NIH cut loose nearly $100M to biotechs promising means for selectiv e suppression of the immune response, not sure how that worked out because I could care less. The 14th century "Black Death" is another overblown fias co which would amount to nothing today, the people back then were ultra-mor ons and made things worse for themselves.
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do anything right (except fight wars against other human, usually for remar kably stupid reasons) this wouldn't strike you as a reasonable thing to do, not that your idea of "reasonable" has much to do with reasoning.
nterpart might miss. The civilian population wasn't all that health in 1917 - food shortages etc - and lots of more or less healthy young male adults were crammed together in army barracks and transit camps.
That's a bunch of hysteria out of line with reality, and ebola victims die too quickly for effective spread, try to avoid food contaminated with roden t feces and you'll be just fine. There are plenty of other infectious patho gens out there, some completely unknown and others considered harmless, tha t have already done you in over the long term, but I don't want to scare yo u to death so we'll skip that.
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Not all of them. They were ill-informed, and a lot of them were under-nouri shed. The average height was shorter back then, because most people didn't get en ough of the right food when they were growing up, which stunts your height.
It also stunts the growth of your brain, so quite a few of them were dimmer than they might have been.
nnecesary war to the exclusion of every other consideraion so they got what they deserved. By modern standards the 1918 pandemic was a joke and wouldn 't amount to anything. Contrary to popular belief, the lethality of influen za respiratory infection is due to the immune response and not the lack of it, viz. the mortality of the Spanish flu was highest among people in the p rime of life with strongest immune response and not so lethal among infants and the old and infirm.
or selective suppression of the immune response, not sure how that worked o ut because I could care less.
ount to nothing today, the people back then were ultra-morons and made thin gs worse for themselves.
They didn't appreciate that the bug moved between rats and humans via fleas . Again, they were ill-informed rather than morons, but under-nourishment w as even more prevalent than it was in the decade or so preceding WW1, so ev en more of them were dimmer than they might have been.
-- Bill Sloman, Sydney
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unnecesary war to the exclusion of every other consideraion so they got wh at they deserved. By modern standards the 1918 pandemic was a joke and woul dn't amount to anything. Contrary to popular belief, the lethality of influ enza respiratory infection is due to the immune response and not the lack o f it, viz. the mortality of the Spanish flu was highest among people in the prime of life with strongest immune response and not so lethal among infan ts and the old and infirm.
for selective suppression of the immune response, not sure how that worked out because I could care less.
amount to nothing today, the people back then were ultra-morons and made th ings worse for themselves.
as. Again, they were ill-informed rather than morons, but under-nourishment was even more prevalent than it was in the decade or so preceding WW1, so even more of them were dimmer than they might have been.
Have you heard of this insanity
We still have it around today, kinda pathetic, not just morons but insane m orons.
Then there were these geniuses
They sure did show that plague a thing or two...
That one is also still a feature of religions today, isn't it?
-- John Devereux
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Indeed. Nicely put.
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Weaponizing flu might be a fun game for academics, but making super-bugs seems rather unhelpful to the rest of us.
Cheers, James Arthur
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