Red Light Camera Ticket

I am of course joking. I know he's, ummm, some sort of life form. But yes you're correct. It's not a political thing per se; he's simply unable to come up with anything else when cornered.

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lonmkusch
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I don't think that is what the research shows. The research shows that the vast majority of drivers drive at a safe speed (not necessarily the same as the speed limit) when not constrained by the speed limit. Safety is not the only reason for having speed limits. There are plenty of times when you simply need everyone to "feel" safe. Having people drive a bit slower than what many drivers "feel" is safe can make others feel safer.

"reckless" driving is one of those vague terms that means exactly what the arresting officer wants it to mean. I've seen any number of those dismissed by the judge because he didn't get a good answer when asking what the defendant did that was "reckless".

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rickman

You're too old to drive anymore. Go to your nearest DMV office, if you can even find it without getting confused, and surrender your license.

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bloggs.fredbloggs.fred

Be happy. In California a red light violation would almost put you in the poor house. Many hundreds of Dollars.

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Joerg

Yeah, they need to offset that generous 'entitlement' spending somehow and car owners with their hideous, polluting gas guzzlers are the new villains.

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Cursitor Doom

Got to raise money somehow to support the illegals to ensure they vote Demoncrat. ...Jim Thompson

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Jim Thompson

Still being an ass I see.

Mikek

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amdx

Could be. I thought I read somewhere that artificially low speed limits are more dangerous than letting everyone drive what they want, except for the people who are grossly exceeding the speed that most others are driving at.

True, but some behavior is objectively reckless, such as aggressively weaving in and out of traffic, or frequently drifting considerably out of their lane. Or rolling down the window and shooting.

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lonmkusch

Learn to killfile and the aggravation goes away ;-) ...Jim Thompson

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Jim Thompson

It does work, even when there is a posted speed limit. You can be cited for an unreasonable speed, even if you are going well under the posted speed limit.

That said, speed limits should be set at the 85th percentile for that road. If a lower speed is desired, for some reason, don't build a race track.

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krw

Read what you wrote. Driving outside your lane is objective. The rest is subjective. I'm not sure everyone here even agrees that shooting out the window should be illegal depending on what your target is.

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rickman

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The cameras are normally set up on streets where people drive according to the surroundings, so little risk of accident, they drive faster, but the sp eed limits are generic, so the cops can catch people here

I was trapped here:

https://www.google.dk/maps/place/Vestre+Strandall%C3%A9+145,+8240+Risskov/@56.1948037,10.2427389,157m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m5!3m4!1s0x464c3e5847de7cc9:0xf59728fbb4b87a53!8m2!3d56.194944!4d10.243439

The traffic is isolated from the pedestrians, so very low risk

They also often place the speedtraps where a sign just reduced the speed fr om 80km/h to 50, so people has not yet reduced the speed enough

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Klaus Kragelund

I doubt it. The Iowa 'supremes' are noted for denying a single guy with a hippy beard the right to adopt a child.

And I doubt that SCOTUS would agree to hear the appeal.

...Jim Thompson

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Jim Thompson

Disagree. 1) You have no expectation of privacy when you're driving a car. 2) You are agreeing to obey the rules of the road and all highway laws/rules simply by applying for your driver's license (it's a "privilege", not a right).

I don't like either of these things, either, but I don't see the Supremes doing anything about it. Your only recourse is the vote, IMO. They have been taken down when the heat gets turned up.

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krw

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comment. I was primarily responding to krw who seemed to imply that the pr ice of Big Macs and price of a fine were equivalent.

is to cover the restaurant's cost and profit margin. Not the same thing.

if they do not deter? Maybe they are more of a revenue raiser than a det errent. Like a Big Mac they help cover the cost of having a police force.

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This sort of morphed into something else from the fixed vs proportional fin e discussion.

A lot of things in law are subjective which is why there's the court system . I'm not here to argue what is considered reckless driving as this could f ill a book itself.

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lonmkusch

I only replied because you used the term "objectively reckless" and then proceeded to use examples that were not objective.

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rickman

I think you have to enter the intersection after the red to get ticketed, you don't appear to be proposing that, so should be safe. .

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Jasen Betts

Ah, the Gatso company was founded here. Aside from single device setups (where a speeding and/or red-light violation is measured on the spot), there are now more and more systems that measure the average speed over some longer distance.

It consists of two sets of cameras above the lanes that read the license plates of all cars passing underneath and record a timestamp. When the timestamp of both passages and the distance between the cameras is known, the average speed can be calculated, and when it is more than

6 km/h over the allowed speed a ticket is automatically printed and sent. The good thing is that it does not trigger on momentary higher speed e.g. when passing, like the traditional systems do.

The photo is kept for possible appeals (e.g. when you are sure you did not drive there at that time you can appeal and the photo can be studied to make sure the plate was not misread or duplicated on another car). The system also keeps a log of all plate numbers that have passed to be used for other purposes like criminal investigation and of course "to fight terrorism" (sure). It is controversial, of course.

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Rob

You need to use a railroad tie, just to get their attention! ;-)

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Michael A. Terrell

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