Re: OT: Bank Failure

Dollar will be worth a few cents, not accepted anywhere.

I see you've become a Zero-Hedge reader, Jan. :)

> Fort Knox is empty all it holds is promissory notes.

Well it does seem very odd that Germany only got a fraction of their gold back that was being stored in supposed safe custody in the US. Not quite so safe as they'd thought, it seems; the mice have been at it! :)

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On a sunny day (Wed, 17 Jul 2019 13:55:10 -0000 (UTC)) it happened Cursitor Doom wrote in :

Just got into a legal fight about some gold delivery. Cost me an hour of typing at least.

Everybody is storing up on it.

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Don't forget GATA. If that class action succeeds you'll wish you'd kept all your purchase & sale receipts going back 20+ years ago.

Can you blame them? The fact that Russia and China alone are buying literally *tons* of the physical stuff per month and have been since 2017 is fuelling the belief that they're preparing to introduce a new gold- backed currency to rival the dollar for international trade. That would spell the end of fiat reserve currencies for certain.

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On a sunny day (Wed, 17 Jul 2019 22:03:28 -0000 (UTC)) it happened Cursitor Doom wrote in :

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Seems a sales website to me :-) Biased too?

Indeed. Give or take some nuculear war (an Iran Pakistan alliance comes to mind), resulting in among other things the destruction of Israel, what can possibly go wrong??? It is all a reality show now is it not? At least trump seems to think so.

I expect the electronics based payment systems to completely collapse in such a war scenario currencies will lose their value, gold may perhaps still buy you food or your escape route, in a [golden??] bathtub across the oceans to a place with less radiation.

Oh well :-)

Funny beings those humming-beans.

SpaceX should really get that Mars colony going, so you can go there and watch things on earth unfold through your binoculars, start a new life there, like once the Spanish started a new life in 'merrica. I think this is important for the continuation of species. For the rest it is, and likely always will be, one ant any heap against the other, it is part of evolution. But as our weapons get so powerful we can destroy the galaxy, I see a no zero probability of the species being terminated by an upset technician, or a technician that dropped his pliers in the black hole bomb. Somebody told me the story that dropping of pliers in an atomic bomb while servicing it happened not far from here, and the poor guy never understood why it did not go off. FWIIW.

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...and what about the atmosphere, what little of it exists?

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On a sunny day (Fri, 19 Jul 2019 01:15:06 -0800) it happened Robert Baer wrote in :

Mostly an engineering problem. When we use nuclear power, and given there is water on mars, it can be split into H2 and O. gives oxygen and is usable for rocket fuel. Heating, cooling all electricity based. Is there any Uranium on mars? Likely. There are so many other ideas, you need shielding from cosmic radiation for sure, maybe electromagnetic fields can be used for that, there are so many ideas.. This I did read a short while ago:

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Resveratrol to prevent muscles losing strength during the trip and later:

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There is more on mars than US gov wants people to know. First the Viking experiment was positive for life, I heard that announcement in the news back then, only to be withdrawn by a dull voice hours later 'no it is no sign of life' Hey, NSA tested that experiment for month before the it went on that spacecraft ;-)

There is about half ? of US that is religiously indoctrinated to believe the earth is 4000 years old (or something) Pi is 4, and what have you, and Pope has a private connection to God. So and they believe life originated on earth, Adam and Eve and the snake story, and so no life should be found anywhere else in the universe.

In noticed that any time NASA's budget is up for discussion in the government all of the sudden they find signs of some creatures in meteorites from mars, you can test that, wait until they put that news out again, and see what's up in congress.

So for that reason alone I expect China to land there in some way and find life, they do not have that censorship. And then there is this:

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a true color image from ESA. is a link from my site:
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Also read Dr Levin on that Viking experiment:
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So, why do we not go to space, or better why does the US drive around the block all the time in the ISS? Fear of a religious collapse as life is out there waiting to be confirmed.

The technology to go has been around since the Apollo days, Von Braun had a mars plan. These days if anybody says 'nuclear' then a whole lot of greenish fanatics jump on that person... Fear, clueless and fear go hand in hand. A Voyager spacecraft is still going and uses an RTG, plutonium. It is all so simple. Maybe competition will help with Chinese restaurants on mars, then Mc Doughnuts or whatever may want to go there 2. Who knows.

Or, looking at it from the dark side, maybe those leaders that play the war games may want to make sure they have a cottage there like some Germans moved to S. America at the end of WW2, rumor goes Al Gore has a cottage there where he will go when the climate crap bubble he brainwashed the children with, bursts.

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  • By counting X years per generation listed (i think ) in Genesis, starting from Creation. Problem is, how can there be a day before day and nite was created? And,,,how long was a "day" then? A billion or so of present years?
  • Wrong! Pi is three. Re-read the source.
  • Obviously! WE are unique.
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On a sunny day (Fri, 19 Jul 2019 21:49:11 -0800) it happened Robert Baer wrote in :

I often wonder, we now are into the dark energy and dark force babble in cosmology. There seems to be black holes much earlier than was possible in the current big bang theory. My view would be (is) that if some super dense 'thing' exploded, then pieces of it would fly away, and those would be black holes, Logic? I do not see any logic in current theories. Le Sage theory of gravity holds, if Le Sage particles originate in stars or those super dense blobs, then you have your dark force and the universe is ever faster expanding.

Those people are stuck in their own math, and theories. With some luck and without war maker trump, maybe in a few thousand of the current size years we have a simple theory that makes sense,

OK, whatever, I was referring to this bill:

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The Old Testament should be regarded in the same light and taken about as seriously as ancient Greek mythology and all the other ancient folk tales of the world's other cultures. The OT is just Jewish folk fables and it's bizarre why so many people of Jewish and Christian faith actually place any store by it and believe such blatant nonsense.

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They say it's true yet it's fundamentally & massively at odds with the new testament.

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It's also fundamentally and massively at odds with common sense and the last four centuries of scientific discovery.

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After Bretton Woods dollar is no longer backed up by gold. They switched to a plutonium backup. That makes it sufficiently acceptable everywhere, lest the imminent rapid currency exchange.

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Never mind the cosmic radiation...

The Earth's magnetic field is what keeps our remaining atmosphere being blown away by the solar wind. Mars has almost no remaining atmosphere (if it had one) because it has no magnetosphere.

Good luck manufacturing an atmosphere in those conditions.

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It seems to be beginning to undergo one of its periodic reversals, according to those who keep track of such things. Certainly I believe magnetic north's wandering about is picking up pace. Anyone know if there's a null in the magnetism as the 'pole' crosses the equator and if so, how long it persists? Some sources are claiming it's going to be catastrophic. Could be even worse than the Y2K bug. ;->

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On a sunny day (Mon, 22 Jul 2019 09:49:42 +1000) it happened Clifford Heath wrote in :

I agree that 'terra forming' is a bit beyond what we currently can do, or maybe even should do with respect to any life that is there. But creating large structures on mars where people live inside, have maybe plants growing, with an earth like atmosphere is just an engineering problem, and has already been solved.

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It's not just an eng problem. Any extraterrestrial colinisation is hugely expensive and results in very poor levels of access to things we value & take for granted here.

NT

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Typical Cursitor Doom. He doesn't name the "sources" who claim that it might be catastrophic, and since he considers ZeroHedge to be a reliable source, he's essentially relaying what is probably demented gibbering.

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points that while the earth typically gets 4 to 5 reversals per million years, we haven't had one for the past 800,000 years. It also points that there's absolutely no evidence to suggest that such a reversal might produce "catastrophic" effects.

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On a sunny day (Sun, 21 Jul 2019 23:24:35 -0700 (PDT)) it happened snipped-for-privacy@gmail.com wrote in :

The difference between goat herders in Africa, nomads in the Sahara Desert and us is from an evolution POV not so much. You will need supplies shipped on a regular bases, but as (for example) mars colonies grow bigger equipment is shipped, trade of resources, scientific stations (like a radio telescope on the backside of the moon), look what is poured into CERN with absolutely no return. Mining of space objects, nuclear propulsion, colonization of moons or planets, is all big business.

From the POV of the species it is absolutely essential we spread across space.

Columbus came with just a few men to America, brought back the much wanted gold, greed works too, mining, there is a company set up that wants to do just that (forgot the details). Interplanetary trade, interplanetary wars, visa .. oh well, not much will change. Crossing the ocean in a plane was an adventure for the daring now mothers and kids fly between continents all the time you claim that would be too expensive, but it is not. I am not for pace tourism in the sense of that crazy thing from Virgin Galactic, but I would sing on for a space colony on mars, if there was a regular trip, just because of curiosity (not the rover) perhaps.

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expensive and results in very poor levels of access to things we value & t ake for granted here.

But might offer better access to things we might value and would love to ta ke for granted.

The British empire colonised a lot of places to exploit specific local prod ucts, even though they killed off a lot of the colonists.

Jan Panteltje's claim that we've already solved the problems of setting up self-sustaining closed environments may be a bit premature, but there's no theoretical reason to imagine that we can't manage it eventually.

My guess is that we might get more out of colonising the asteroids rather t han Mars - getting stuff up out of the Martian gravity well would make it v ery expensive - but we have to get to the potential colonisation site befor e we can start working out the economic costs and benefits.

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y expensive and results in very poor levels of access to

t and us is from an evolution POV not so much.

We happen to have been evolving furiously since we started living in cities , but mainly to increase our resistance to infectious diseases. There was r ecent Finnish study that suggested that we were also evolving better social behaviour.

ars colonies grow bigger equipment is shipped, trade of resources, scientif ic stations (like a radio telescope on the backside of the moon), look what is poured into CERN with absolutely no return.

The money that is being spent at CERN is generating useful scientific data, even if Jan Panteltje doesn't know enough to realise it. It may not look a s if it's valuable enough to pay for CERN at the moment, but scientific dat a has a tendency to look a lot more valuable after you've got around to nee ding it.

pace.

Probably not, but exploring new environments and finding new ecological nic hes to exploit is what evolution is all about.

Human beings have become spectacularly successful as a social mammal, and w e are probably going to evolve into a species - or perhaps a bunch of speci es - that can cooperate even more effectively.

We may need to get into space to get the genetic isolation required to spli t into a bunch of species.

d gold, greed works too, mining, there is a company set up that wants to do just that (forgot the details).

Or claims to want to do just that. Any start-up needs a plausible story. Th ere are enough suckers around that the story doesn't have to be all that cr edible.

It is now. Better technology will eventually make it cheaper.

alactic, but I would sign on for a space colony on mars, if there was a re gular trip, just because of curiosity (not the rover) perhaps.

But could a colony survive even one Jan Panteltje?

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