phase noise of a current starved vco phase noise with LT spice

hello! i am working on DPLL,CSVCO is a part of this,i need help how to determine the phase noise of that VCO with LTSPICE

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yeahia14
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Simulations normally start with Leeson's equation:

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If you use a varactor, you need to add Rohde's extension. There are many references, for example see page 9 of

You will find many examples of simulations that supposedly match the actual phase noise very closely. But the simulations require major assumptions that are not disclosed in the articles.

If you examine the operation of an oscillator carefully, you will notice it can have large variations in performance with relatively small changes in operating parameters.

For example, changing the ratio of the feedback capacitors in the base-emitter-ground connection of a common collector Colpitts can have huge effects on the output amplitude and conduction angle. But there is no place in Leeson's equation that describes this. So I have serious doubts about the validity of the simulations.

I would rather start with Hajimiri's article on the Theory of Phase Noise in Electrical Oscillators, with particular reference to Figure

4 a and b in

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For an alternate view, consider Leif Asbrink's approach that gives phase noise similar to the best oscillators by Wenzel Associates, down to -180dBc/Hz at 20 kHz using the cheapest possible standard crystals at 14 MHz:

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Considering these radically different approaches can give excellent results, but cannot be described explicitly in Leeson's equations. For this reason, I would not waste time trying to simulate the oscillator. You have no way to tell if the simulation is accurate or meaningful unless you build the circuit and measure it.

To measure the phase noise, I would make a simple phase noise test set using the balanced bridge phase detector approach in the HP E5500 series equipment, and measure the actual performance of the oscillator. You are going to need it anyway, so might as well start there.

However, if you are working on a Digital Phase Locked Loop (DPLL), it can have large phase offset errors due to the descrete timing available in the time-to-digital converter at the input to the loop.

In this case, the oscillator phase noise may be an insignificant part of the overall loop error, and the effort to measure or improve the phase noise may be swamped by the effort required to reduce the digitizing error.

You can see some of these effects in

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In addition, if you are using an RC oscillator, you can experience severe limit cycle oscillations due to crosstalk from the digital noise into the vco. The same problem can occur in the time-to-digital converter.

These are further examples of why it is far better to spend your time on the bench, looking at actual results rather than trying to simulate something that has no relation to reality.

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Steve Wilson

In reality, not goanna happen.

In the real, practical world, simulations start with Cadence Spectre RF PSS Phase Noise software.

The issues involved with paper and pencil are immense. Despite any claims to the contrary, the ONLY effective way to design for low phase noise in oscillator systems is to do it ALL with a simulator tool specifically designed to accurately and reliably calculate phase noise using the correct non-linear mathematical techniques.

Typical approaches such as the Hajimiri-Lee ISP-ISF are used toilet paper, as shown here:

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Kevin Aylward B.Sc.

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Kevin Aylward

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