OT: Win7 setup Q

It would help a lot if you gave some numbers. Your idea of a low resolution monitor might be below the minimum required to run Windows.

This sentence is extremely hard to parse. What hardware are you running and are you sure the video cable is OK? The boot disk should set up basic default low res VGA if it sees a monitor of that sort.

You would be better off asking in a Windows 7 support group and providing some indication of the geriatric low spec hardware you are trying to use.

Which multi-OS boot system is it? It could be getting in the way of the Win7 installer or vice-versa.

Try connecting a more catholic monitor or check the cable is OK?

I would hazard a guess from the pathetic amount of information that you have provided that whatever passes for a graphic card in your system does not support DirectX 9 graphics with WDDM 1.0 or higher.

You could try running the hardware compatibility test from MickeySoft

It might shed some light and with any luck it will show its results in a video mode that your monitor can actually display.

A while off yet. Sounds like you have a machine that doesn't boot.

Regards, Martin Brown

• I have running Win3.11, Win98Se, and Win2K. There are all kinds of scan rates the nominally would work given the proper monitor - but i have no way of knowing which ones that would be. Just for Win98SE the following are theoretically supported: 640x480 (works), 800x600 (works), 1024x768 (works), 1280x1024 (no synch but no strange flicker), and 1600x1200 (no synch but no strange flicker). At this time, cannot try yet other scan rates "available" in Win2K as that is another drive on this HD.

• Just like "all" other M$ OSes, to install, one boots from its CD. And just like the other OSes, the screen is some kind of hi-res which one must (at least for Win95,Win98Se and Win2K) later install a video driver. Just complaining that since M$ can obviously match the hardware for a rather nice hi-res display during setup install, why do they proceed to totally screw it up?

• Win98Se and Win2K before Win7 install. Now here is the kicker...... ..ONCE, i bumbled along in the setup and got Win7 to fully install. Think i F8 and chose 640x480 which it technically ignored as i never saw anything with such bum resolution. Furthermore, once Win7 was installed, i found something that i call a "slider" where i can move that up and down, and the scan resolution increased/decreased in so many steps that it was TOTALLY UNBELIEVABLE, and the video was always stable...and get this..the icons seemed to re-size so as not to shrink to very tiny impossible to read junk; sizes did "jump" bigger and smaller but average size hardly changed.

• The card supports DirectX 9; in fact the driver CD that came with it included DirectX.

Hope above added info will be of use.

These are the Video Rates for my video card, supported by its driver for Win2K ("no synch" means the monitor will not sync; "~Win7" means looks roughly like Win7 at 2nd boot for install completion):

2048 by 1536 pixels NO SYNCH 1920 by 1440 pixels NO SYNCH 1920 by 1200 pixels NO SYNCH (~WIN7 ?) 1920 by 1080 pixels NO SYNCH (~WIN7 ?) 1680 by 1050 pixels NO SYNCH (~WIN7 ?) 1600 by 1200 pixels NO SYNCH (~WIN7 ?) 1360 by 768 pixels OK 1280 by 1024 pixels NO SYNCH 1280 by 960 pixels NO SYNCH 1280 by 800 pixels OK 1280 by 768 pixels OK 1280 by 720 pixels NO SYNCH 1152 by 864 pixels NO SYNCH 1024 by 768 pixels OK 960 by 600 pixels OK 848 by 480 pixels OK 800 by 600 pixels OK 720 by 576 pixels OK 720 by 480 pixels OK 640 by 480 pixels OK

And probably 60Hz frame rate, but what are the stated line rates? That will possibly shed some light on what your monitor can handle.

It looks like your monitor can only handle up to 800 scanlines and isn't smart enough to tell the computer of its limitations.

I have Win7 installed on a system with 1024x768 screen so I don't see what your problem is apart from owning outdated rubbish hardware.

Some people have reported problems with DVI connected LCD displays which can be worked around with an old style VGA cable.

Regards, Martin Brown

Try a modern graphics board. Sounds like a driver mismatch. Any modern Nvidia or ATI board is supported in W7. One of the few good things I can say about W7 is the monitor support is excellent. It sure beats the heck out of XP and 2k for multi-monitor support and understanding what sort of monitor you have connected. Just wait until you actually try configure the OS! That'll get your blood pressure up. Since Win95, W7 is the hardest M$ OS to set up except for dual monitor support. W7 is probably great for games and home theatre. Sure sucks for business. I have 3 pages of notes on how to get things the way I want, and the list is still growing.

Unfortunately, there was no info on line rates or scan rates; only pixels as indicated. The hardware / video card is "so new" that the video and audio are not supported by Win98SE and was impossible to even get 800x600 until i did some cheating (still no audio). However, the drivers for video and audio do support Win2K and WinNT and (maybe, pardon for swearing) Vista (did not even look as who gives a ratsass for that POS). Absolutely and most definitely none of the drivers are compatible with Win7 as that OS did not exist even as a rumor at that time. Nevertheless, the ONE time i was ale to get Win fully installed, i did not need any extra drivers; Win7 did it all (!).

Since you have Win7 installed on a system with 1024x768 screen (and i presumed with NO trickery), and my system supports that and then some, i also do not see why the difference. In light of the fact that Win7 DID install OK _once_, do you have any suggestions as to what "tricks" to try during the install sequence?

I agree on the video support; what i saw after installation was stunning: "slider" and all.

I would be very interested to get that list! Video board is a GeForce 8400GS, came with an EVGA driver CD which supports Win2K, WinXP, and (pardon for swearing) Visa. So, it is relatively "modern".

Total bullshit.

You're an idiot.

I works better than any before it.

If you are experiencing problems, the root of those problems is seated IN YOU.

There, idiot. Now go run off and add a fourth page to your idiot scroll.

If you cannot handle W7, you cannot handle 'business', and that would be why you have problems doing so. Blaming environmental factors is the attempt of a pussy to feign responsibility.

In other words, the fact that you never did learn enough about DOS and Windows is coming back to bite you in the ass, and no, you do NOT get to put the blame off onto something else. It is ALL you.

Meander blindly much, idiot?

I hope and pray that you waste several weeks worth of your personal time tracking down the fact that your shit vid card is being laughed at by Win7.

You deserve every installation shortfall you experience. May they shower you drenched.

THEN, maybe, you will learn the 'what comes around...' aspect of the term "Karma". Plonk *that* wussy boy.

Solution to problem:

Use the other video output port on the card. Change back later, if desired.

W7 supports that family of Nvidia chips, so shut the f*ck up about drivers.

Interconnection problem? Get an adapter.

Illuminate, please - WHICH OS is harder to install?

You are full of sh*t; I NOW HAVE WIN7 WORKING fine and did NOT change the vid card or try some driver for it.

I now have WIN7 WORKING fine; did NOT change the vid card or try some driver for it either. Trick: Step 1 (standard): boot from CD, and since i want multiple OS boot, selected CUSTOM install. Step 2 (standard, except at "end"): regular boot, ignore "boot from CD" line. All looks OK except when "done", i get tht garbled scan rate screen (*). Cannot so did reset button. Step 3 (NON standard): quicker than a fox (or baer), used F8 for many-line selection, one being "Enable low resolution video (640x480)". Got what i call a video "splat" in that for 100mSec got a hour-glass looking unsynch scan and then standard video with "Setup is preparing your computer for first use".

BTW, that "2 seconds" for the multi-OS selection menu lasts no longer than 500mSec which is why it is a total BITCH to see if not eXplicitly looking for it. And NO directions as how to change that menu; all is different WRT Win2K - at least it had a text file boot.ini that one could FIND and EDIT.

It's still under My Computer > Properties, but you need to click on one of the items on the left to bring up the familiar panel with the boot options menu. Your friend in W7 is the Windoze Help. Type in a term, and help will usually have a link which opens up the appropriate panel.

Nvidia 8000 series boards are modern enough for W7 to recognize. Be sure you download video drivers from Nvida. Never use the drivers on the CD that came with the graphics board as they are generally old.

You gamers probably won't notice reduced functionality of some of the W7 interfaces. I only came across two OS bugs during setup and perhaps

2 or 3 items that are programming blunders in Explorer. I'll agree, the root of the problems is me. I expect an OS to behave a certain way. Unfortunately, W7 is primarily designed for home entertainment, not a business environment - which is probably why you like it so much.

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Considering the FACT that you do not know a goddamned thing about me, much less the ways I utilize my computer, I'd say that you about as full of shit as anyone can possibly get.

So, you dippy bitch, tell us what these "reduced functionalities" are, and in detail, or shut right the f*ck up!

Not only are you clueless about computer science, you are also a goddamned liar as W7 is perfectly fine in a business setting, and is, in fact, safer and less vulnerable to attack.

You are a complete and utter idiot, and your baseless bullshit needs to be tagged for what it is. Complete shit. Just like you.