snipped-for-privacy@gmail.com wrote in news:10e204b0-2d3c-4909-97ef-32a2118efbd8 @googlegroups.com:
And it is not for a dumb punk f*ck like you to worry about. You are too goddamned stupid to come anywhere close to understanding anything a government does.
Some are. Go past the welfare office and you'll se some quite nice cars. I shit you not.
Then you see them in the stores, get out the food card and buy the kids som e junk food and some blue juice shit that is probably better used floor cle aner and then turn around and get $50 in lottery tickets, a couple bottles of cheap wine and some blunts. They smoke weed out of those cigarillos or w hatever repacked because it masks the smell.
And they might have those government hones, the ones they call Obamaphones but it was actually Bush who got them paid for, but they also have smart ph ones. Not to mention $3,000 rims and tires on their cars, ground effects an d a competition audio system.
Not to mention bling.
Come and look if you don't believe me.
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in the Laffer Curve.
level of taxation which will maximise revenue?
ed, it need not be stable with time, and nobody seems to operate anywhere n ear it.
documenting any Laffer curve - perhaps because nobody has worked out how t o get a useful range of tax levels to look at.
be of any practical use at all - apart from letting right-wing politicians justify tax cuts on the grounds on the spurious grounds that the increased economic activity will generate more tax income from the smaller bite on m ore numerous transactions, which doesn't actually happen.
ents) do not contradict the basic (and rather obvious) insight.
re is an optimum number of zeros on a roulette wheel, too many and the punt ers won't punt, to few and the house doesn't make enough money.
ou will need to consult multiple sources if you want to form a truly balan ced opinion.)
any useful insights. I have consulted quite enough sources over the years to be perfectly confident about that.
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DKrw clearly hasn't studied mathematics. If a function is finite, single-val ued and continuous over an interval, you can make statements about what has to happen within that interval.
There's a serious shortage of evidence about what a Laffer Curve might look across the whole interval from 0% to 100%.
Income tax has given us some data at tax rates up to 95% and 98% but since hardly anybody reported their actual income when it was taxed at those rat es it's not worth much.
If you tax any activity effectively at a level which make sit unprofitable it stops happening, so the the Laffer curve isn't continuous between 0% tax rate and 100% - there's no data above the cut-off.
Obvious but useless.
In that case it demonstrates that it is useless. It may be continuous, but it isn't single-valued.
Only for the mathematically unsophisticated.
You have to be as under-informed at John Larkin to think that.
It did go in for evidenced-based thinking, which doesn't suit rightists.
Getting the nanny state anywhere in the US would be a massive - if unlikely - step forward. It might lead to an education system that worked. Too late for John Larkin or krw, or their kids, of course.
-- Bill Sloman, Sydney
Who can't read more than one line at a time. If his attention span had made it to the like below, he might have been able to work what I had in mind, but Dan is a trifle dim.
-- Bill Sloman, Sydney
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In most cases, not directly, only by doing something other than the job you already have. If you were being paid $100K by IBM, you couldn't just avoid tax on that. You had to have money and the willingness to go buy rental real estate, manage it, then use the depreciation on it as a deduction. Or you had to go buy a similar tax shelter, sold by shysters, that were not sound on their own, but were intended to help people get tax deductions. Imagine all the lost productivity, the economic inefficiency in that, instead of having a lower tax rate with people free to do what they want with their money.
Oh yes it is pretty much universal in the USA, which is what we're talking about. Muni bonds are generally exempt from federal income tax and many times state and local income taxes too. And you don't have to live where they are, you can buy them anywhere, there are muni funds, etc. Again, you're spouting positions without understanding even the basics.
All irrelevant to the issues of taxes and investment. 99.99% of the economy isn't the Linux model.
He meant that they are earning more.
We have some friends who made a fortune in the tech world here, so moved to Las Vegas to avoid the California taxes. They got bored being rich there so started another business and got rich a second time.
I wouldn't live in Las Vegas merely to save money, but a lot of people move just over the line for tax reasons. Incline Village is also known as Income Village.
What's interesting is that Nevada has no income tax, and the potholes in the roads disappear as you drive east across the border.
-- John Larkin Highland Technology, Inc lunatic fringe electronics
BS. Nothing has to happen. Many people have jobs where in the course of a year they don't earn enough to have any tax liability at all. Whatever was withheld, they get it all back.
Some may be. But if you're working on Wall Street, a top lawyer with clients in the city, etc, you typically can't just pack up, move to FL and keep your income. People who can move are certainly more inclined to move with every tax increase. Those idiots in NYC just passed congestion pricing, a new tax on driving into most of Manhattan, that starts at $12. That's after you've paid the $15 tunnel or bridge toll. And before the $40 to park your car. I used to enjoy going into NYC frequently, but rarely go anymore, just fed up with this BS. And other lib ideas, like making the min wage $15, has further driven up the already exorbitant prices in NYC for most things. A Martini is $20+ now. Oh, and that congestion pricing BS was just that, BS. It's not about "congestion". It's about raising more money that the libs waste down the drain. Sixty Minutes had a great story on how the per mile cost to build a subway tunnel in NYC is like 3X the cost in other expensive cities, eg Paris. The stupid subways have been neglected for 50 years, now they're screwing car drivers to raise money to pay for it. Hello? Here's an idea. The fare is $2.75, for that you can go from JFK to the Bronx. Anyone who owns a car would be very happy if their cars cost so little to drive. But somehow the idea of making the people who use the subway pay for it, doesn't compute with libs.
AlwaysWrong is simply, amazingly, _always_ wrong.
snipped-for-privacy@optonline.net wrote in news: snipped-for-privacy@googlegroups.com:
Been filing since '78, you retarded f*ck. And I do my own taxes.
Your IQ and behavior places your mental age at about 11.
snipped-for-privacy@optonline.net wrote in news: snipped-for-privacy@googlegroups.com:
You are an idiot. Even a minimum wage job nets enough income that taxes are paid.
snipped-for-privacy@gmail.com wrote in news:ef198ff3-1dda-411b-b35f-4be734512763 @googlegroups.com:
Sure there is.
The ongoing joke in Israel is that one pays the typical tax rate for the non-privledged, 105%.
It's what you are talking about. The rest of the group isn't bound to respect your parochial interests.
This from the guy who thinks that if the median US household (containing 2.53 people) has an average income of $60k per year, somebody has to be cheating for almost half the population to pay no income tax.
Since the Linux model doesn't involve doing things for money it's not a part of the economy that it is easy to hang a percentage number on.
Granting your imperfect grasp of what percentages really mean, the fact that this point has escaped you isn't surprising.
-- Bill Sloman, Sydney
snipped-for-privacy@notreal.com wrote in news: snipped-for-privacy@4ax.com:
Not anywhere near half, and most of those are making false deductions.
No I meant that they weren't doing as much as they had been.
The next line - that Dan hadn't bother to read, and you've snipped was
"You can't do much serious business in Florida, North Carolina and Nevada."
Being in Nevada wouldn't have helped that process.
One major source of pot-holes is frost heave. If the soil is dry enough, it doesn't contain enough water to drive frost heave.
-- Bill Sloman, Sydney
44%, AlwaysWrong. You must be one of them.
snipped-for-privacy@ieee.org wrote in news: snipped-for-privacy@googlegroups.com:
Multiple folks in a household do not all get to claim to be head of household, and therefore would all, each have to pay their taxes individually. IF two of them are married, they can file as head of household and file jointly.
All honest reporters of one's income results in a tax obligation. IF said earner takes advantage of loopholes and deductions, they pay less. Some are honest, some are not. Multiple incomes in a single household should all be paying.
The numbers should be about the percentage of those actually making money. Leave out the kids and those out of work.
Sadly, the "47% of American pay no tax" soundbite goes back to Mitt Romney
and it is true, but also misleading, since - as DLUNU points out - it includes kids,and people who are out of work. At the time I also threw in pensioners and non-working mothers.
-- Bill Sloman, Sydney
John Larkin wrote in news: snipped-for-privacy@4ax.com:
Now examine how LITTLE one must make without spouse or kids to get any.
IOW one must be below the poverty line. That and having a job are pretty much mutually exclusive.
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