OT vaccines cause heart disease and are mandatory in some places

Better takeaway rather than the isolation strategy you suggest:

cheers, Jamie

The study's results add to the existing body of evidence that vaccines cause harm in different ways. These aren't new findings, just a verification of pre existing evidence.

cheers, Jamie

All analyses that look at historical data suffer from the same limitation.

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The study didn't show that vaccines "caused harm". People who had been vacc inated seemed to be more likely to get coronary heart disease, but there ar e lots of explanations for that which don't involve any vaccination damage, which you'd realise if you had mastered elementary logic.

In your case it is isn't so much a "verification" as evidence that you can misinterpret to support your pre-existing (irrational) prejudice.

ng it was not blind, the researchers actually knew the subjects. Secondly, the risk of CHD is a very strong function of the risk factors in the lifest yle of the individual and the history of those risk factors. Almost any kin d of risk factor can make for a 5-10 increase of risk in developing CHD, an d subjecting yourself to those risk factors has pretty much sealed your fat e by age 40 regardless of abstinence from that point onward. In light of th at kind of extreme sensitivity, those crummy little hazard ratios on the or der of 0.9 are nearly insignificant. You show me a study where the risk fac tors were strictly and scientifically controlled. I suspect the researchers were not out to discover anything, they were out to prove childhood vaccin ation may not be such a good thing for CHD outcomes later in life.

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that people with a history free of childhood infections should avoid lifes tyle choices that increase their chances of developing CHD, and not that va ccination programs be discontinued. Actually avoiding lifestyles choices th at increase the risk of CHD is a good plan whether vaccinated or not.

You're saying that idiotic practice is better than health education?

You are close just gotta fix your word order a bit:

"That practice is better than idiotic health education."

You prefer to doubt causality rather than admit vaccines are dangerous?

cheers, Jamie

Try it with anthrax then!

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The problem is that your evidence didn't establish that vaccines caused dam age.

People who had been vaccinated were more likely to live long enough to get heart disease, but that's vaccines preventing fatal damage, rather than doi ng anything active to promote heart disease.

Not getting vaccinated is clearly a dangerous choice - if you don't do it y ou are more likely to die of the disease you have been vaccinated against. There are minor risks from vaccination, but they are a couple of orders of magnitude less than the risks from getting the disease you are being vaccin ated against.

For every 1,000 children who get measles, one or two will die from it.

This isn't a big risk, but it's a lot more likely than any kind of serious vaccine side-effect.

eing it was not blind, the researchers actually knew the subjects. Secondly , the risk of CHD is a very strong function of the risk factors in the life style of the individual and the history of those risk factors. Almost any k ind of risk factor can make for a 5-10 increase of risk in developing CHD, and subjecting yourself to those risk factors has pretty much sealed your f ate by age 40 regardless of abstinence from that point onward. In light of that kind of extreme sensitivity, those crummy little hazard ratios on the order of 0.9 are nearly insignificant. You show me a study where the risk f actors were strictly and scientifically controlled. I suspect the researche rs were not out to discover anything, they were out to prove childhood vacc ination may not be such a good thing for CHD outcomes later in life.

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be that people with a history free of childhood infections should avoid lif estyle choices that increase their chances of developing CHD, and not that vaccination programs be discontinued. Actually avoiding lifestyles choices that increase the risk of CHD is a good plan whether vaccinated or not.

Possibly true, to the extent that "pox parties" are only one of the dangero us consequences of the kind of idiotic health education that you try to d eliver here. Real health education, delivered by people who know what they are talking about, isn't idiotic. You don't accept that, but that's because you have some remarkably foolish - and dangerous - misconceptions.

In a perfect world you'd have been locked up years ago for reckless child e ndangerment, but it's not the kind of crime the police enjoy prosecuting.

"Inhalation (lung) anthrax is not spread from person to person. Even if you develop symptoms of inhalation anthrax, you are not contagious to other persons. If you develop cutaneous (skin) anthrax, the drainage from an open sore presents a low risk of infection to others."

cheers, Jamie

Try it anyway. There's not much chance that you will get anthrax and die, but we can hope.

Meanwhile the chances of getting a fatal case of measles from a "pox party" are a bit over 0.1%, and the kid you kill might be your own.