OT: Sit, Kneel, or Stand?

What was a small number of players in professional sports has turned into a mass movement, more in protest of the President's statements than anything I believe. I have read that many, many NFL players on many teams have sat through the anthem or knelt or stood with arms linked. The Pittsburgh Steelers simply didn't come out during the anthem.

I suppose some here find the whole thing repulsive as if we should not tolerate certain types of protest. But if we can allow individuals to burn the flag as protected speech, why should the President call for the firing of sports players for doing something as simple as kneeling during the anthem? What is so special about being a professional sports figure that they have less rights to express their views?

The irony is that had the President simply gone on ignoring the issue, it would still be a trivial number of individuals making a small statement instead of the tidal wave it has become.

One thing that impresses me is that the teams internally clearly have no animosity toward one another over the issue. Yet, the President is happy to create a rift in our country for something so small. With professional sports being so popular and public, his comments are going to further fragment our country and cause more conflict and animosity.

Is this why we elected this man as our President? Is this the job we asked him to do?

PS While reading about this issue I was distracted by a link about common core math and realized that this is very much like how I do math in my head. They break numbers into chunks that are easy to manipulate rather than the column by column addition and subtraction using numeric symbols and even multiplication or division.

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Must feel great to be a resident of Florida, Texas, or Puerto Rico and be sitting in a shelter thinking about your flooded-out wreck of a home and the media and everyone else has already moved on to fretting over what pro athletes who make more money in a year than 99.9% of people will see in their lives do or don't do with their time.

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bitrex

The rich babies can protest all they want on their own time. Insulting your customers isn't smart. OTOH, no one accused jocks of being smart. I would have though the owners at least shared a brain cell, though.

30% isn't "trivial". One isn't trivial, in fact.

If you had half the brain of a jock, you'd have figured out that it's a no-lose proposition for him. The NFL has a *lot* to lose, though.

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krw

What's he trying to "win" again, exactly?

Trump seems to think that the average American, even the average right-wing American, is more loyal to him then they are to their local ball teams. That's amusing.

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bitrex

Trump made out just fine insulting his "customers" intelligence throughout the entire campaign, though. Seems to be a recipe for success among a big block of Americans - don't really feel they're worthy of respect.

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bitrex

If you have to ask what a politician has to "win", you don't have half a jock's brain cell, either.

It's obvious you don't have half a jock's CTE riddled brain cell, either.

Hint: People in the real world are fed up with leftists politicizing _everything_.

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krw

On Tuesday, September 26, 2017 at 11:03:30 AM UTC+10, snipped-for-privacy@notreal.com wrot e:

Cops shooting disproportionately more blacks than whites is a political iss ue, and anybody of any political persuasion should find it unacceptable.

Getting the idea that it's important across to right-wing clowns like krw a nd Trump does take an effort. Trump resents anything that distracts from hi s program of self-publicity, and krw wants to keep his thinking running in the same rut that he's used to, so neither of them like it. Tough.

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bill.sloman

The next Presidential election?

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John Larkin

By targeting the NFL for abuse?

He's great at "improving" his poll numbers by doing things people who started out loving him love. That doesn't really help much in winning second terms where voter turnout is usually higher - it polls well among the there-are-too-many-blacks-in-the-sports krw-types who hate the whole industry anyway and are still bitter over "jocks" 50 years later, but not great among anyone who isn't a right-wing white guy.

Maybe he thinks everyone "in the real world" is so "fed up with leftists politicizing everything" that he'll make every white person quit watching the game en-masse and spend Sunday nights planning their local tiki-torch rally instead out of personal loyalty, driving the NFL to beg for forgiveness and promise to make those thugs shape up.

Which is a hilarious idea.

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bitrex

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He'd have to be an egomaniac optimist to expect to last that long, but then again, that is what he is. The interesting question is whether Mueller wil l have to dig out evidence that he's not a fit person to be President, or w hether Trump will tweet something outrageous enough to make further investi gation redundant.

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bill.sloman

Says the man who's responses are not much different from something a chatbot could come up with. You're great at insults, terrible at actually stating something of substance; in this case you don't answer the question, probably because you don't know.

See above.

LOL. No really, I did laugh out loud due to the hypocrisy of that statement.

Let's see....NFL players kneeling, what Hillary did, AGW is fake, crowd sizes, Obama's birth certificate. Who politicized those things? Quick, I'll give you five seconds.

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lonmkusch

If his hardcore base was at least half the electorate I might believe that. But I seriously doubt it is.

I think the likelihood of rational voters electing him again is low in light of his, ummm, questionable performance.

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lonmkusch

He beat Hillary 304/227. How did you rate that probability just before the election?

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John Larkin

I thought he had no chance. But, I also thought he'd get more done by now and thought he'd tone down the insults and be more diplomatic once in office.

Neither of those happened. His poll numbers are also lower than any since Truman which isn't exactly a feather in his hat.

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Then there's the Mueller wildcard. There's a real possibility he could get kicked out of office (or encouraged to leave) before his term is up, and if not that, some members of his former campaign team or even his family could get indicted.

Don't go telling me how you don't believe polls or the "liberal media". There's a lot of shit going on with Trump that's pretty fricken' hard to deny.

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lonmkusch

It's just his first year. Clinton #1 and O had chaotic first years.

The US government is maybe the most complex system on the planet. A swamp-dwelling government insider would have an easier time taking over. But he was elected mainly because he's not an insider. Or a mealy-mouthed diplomat.

If there were, anywhere, any hard evidence against him, it would have been leaked by now.

Luckily, you only get one vote.

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Chaotic is subjective, but I don't recall this level of dysfunction with Ob ama. The "it's just his first year" utterance will change into "it's just h is second year" in 2018. You really think much will improve by then? It's T rump's own fault. I doubt anyone is forcing him to say and do most of the i nflammatory stuff he's saying.

The claim that being an outsider is an advantage is questionable at best. I 've encountered engineer hiring practices that prefer someone from outside the industry, but they're still engineers. I can understand hiring a CEO fr om outside the industry, but they still know the ins and outs of being a CE O.

This same idea is true for nearly any position as it brings in a fresh pers pective. But what's happened here is we have an arrogant, narcissistic rea lity TV star/real estate developer of questionable mental stability trying to run something he has no knowledge nor experience with: the US government .

Try putting an engineer in an operating room with a scalpel or a CPA in a c onstruction job site. Yeah, not a great idea. You have to have some trainin g to do any job, even if it's behind the fast food counter.

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Would it? You think the Mueller team is playing Xbox in their offices?

There's a lot of shit going on with Trump that's pretty fricken' hard to de ny.

As do you, and we both live in states that vote reliably blue in presidenti al elections. So unless you want to include the popular vote in a debate, o ur individual votes do essentially nothing.

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lonmkusch

He presumably watches the Clinton News Network or Nothing But Crap for his news and so therefore never saw the Trump victory coming. Bill Sloman always attempts to ridicule me whenever I quote something from the Daily Express. But The Express was the only MSM outlet which correctly predicted a Trump victory while everyone else was putting Hillary ahead by various margins. The Express was also the only MSM outlet which correctly predicted Leave would prevail in the Brexit Referendum and it was also the Express which, against all the prevailing 'pundits' and political commentators predicted the right-of-centre AFD would gain 90+ seats in the German elections and cause a major upset for the established parties. Bill and bitrex both clearly desire to be told what they *want* to hear rather than having to face the facts. As true Socialists always do, they prefer to live in fantasy land. (and off other people's money).

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Cursitor Doom

The simplest explanation as to why the predictions were off is easy, a large number of Trump voters simply lied about their intentions when asked a direct question. You can only make educated predictions under the assumption that the data you have is valid. And no media outlet that was relying on actual statistics put the chance of a Trump victory at 0% anyway, it was never much lower than 30-35% which is a lot more than 0.

The Express doesn't run a supercomputer farm that crunches polling numbers. and like any good psychic only "predicts" things that are appealing to their readership, who couldn't care less about all the other times they've been wrong.

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bitrex

HE WON THE ELECTION! How stupid was that?

In some areas, experience produces competance. In some, it's the opposite.

I knew a guy who was a psychologist for the Army Air Force in WWII, my psychology prof at Tulane. As an experiment, at the last minute, they took the kids from the cooks and bakers training, and put them into planes in place of the kids from the aerial gunnery school, for the final live shooting exam. The cooks+bakers were better gunners.

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And what about people not voting? Polls only work if everyone is a. telling the truth and b. everyone votes.

That's the harsh reality. But some like to say their tabloid-like news source was correct because they were just that good. Nope. Try again.

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lonmkusch

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