OT: Scientific American on sea level rise.

Hmm, that can't be too effective when the funds are hidden, and have been moved to other countries. Lately we've been learning about serious cash moving out of Russia to the US.

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e incipient collapse of part of the West Antarctic ice sheet

appens, so it's not all that incipient, but there's about 3.3 metres of sea level rise involved.

er the ice sheet, and why the relevant lump of ice is going to slide off pr etty quickly when it does let go.

smaller scale.

o protect coastal infrastructure. It's going to happen sooner than 100 year s because the ocean temperature is taking off exponentially. And the ice is not melting from above, it's melting from below due to water which is floo ding the land under the ice, tending to float it.

t anticipate major sea level rise, which will be 24 feet in the short term.

Sea-borne freight gets unloaded at wharves. The container handling gear is expensive, and right at the current sea level.

Rapid sea level rise is going to disrupt seaborne transport.

You may be able to rebuild the wharves further inland, with longer piles, b ut the roads leading down to the wharves are going to have to be rebuilt an d relocated at the same time, while you will be having trouble shipping in the gear and the materials you need to do the work.

Your accommodation may survive, but your standard of living might decline r ather dramatically.

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Wow! Antarctica is 12,000,000 feet thick?!

IOW, you're full of shit, Blobby (but we all knew that before your latest BS).

Hint: The surface area of the oceans is something around 360Mkm^2 The area of Manhattan is around 60km^2

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That's all rock. The bridge won't last 1000 years anyhow.

So many people live in such fear of so many things. They make up stuff to be scared of. Weird.

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Really rich people have most of their wealth in stock shares, often from tiny original investments in companies that they started. They didn't take that wealth from the worker-guys; they made them better off. Shares are just pieces of paper or, lately, a few bits on some hard drive. Bill Gates doesn't have a million cars and he probably doesn't eat as much as the average truck driver.

What would happen if we confiscated a bunch of the wealth of Bill Gates or the google founders? Take their stock shares? Or force them so sell and pay cash? What would that do to the economy?

People have not thought this through.

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that we shouldn't resent someone for having more money or whatever than we have. On average, the very wealthy might not be as happy and free as we are.

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Riot, revolution, slave uprising are the traditional forms. Secret societies or quasi-tribal entities ( daesh comes to mind) aren't unheard-of. Inequality of other-than-income has similar effects.

Jealousy is one of those things that happen inside one's head, not really a social force.

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Not all rock. The bits that link it to the bridge above are going to be metal.

Not a weird as the people who imagine that the correct reaction to worrying forecasts is to ignore them, and to ridicule the people who make them "as excessively anxious".

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bill.sloman

Unfortunately that doesn't happen in most of the world. Inherited wealth, simple violent acquisition, and legalised kleptocracy are far too significant.

If your premise was correct, your conclusion would have more validity.

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Tom Gardner

Yeah but those are small towns. Drive a few more miles and you find a public beach.

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Tom Del Rosso

Funny how they haven't moved at all in the past century, with a 1/10 slope.

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Tom Del Rosso

Chilean sea bass will be cheap again.

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Tom Del Rosso

Actually, they have.

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goes into it in some detail.

The proposition isn't that anybody should confiscate anybody's wealth, but rather that the tax system should collect rather more from the particularly well-off - enough that the top 1% of the US income distribution should see the proportion of the national income that sticks to their fingers start d ecreasing, rather than increasing as it has over the past thirty years. The y've got pretty much all of the grpwth of the entire

Warren Buffett has observed that he pays out a lower proportion of his inco me in income tax than his secretary, so the first step in the process is pr etty obvious. There will be a lot of fat cats who won't like the idea and w ill spend even more on lobbying than they have spent so far to get an overl y generous slice of the national income.

Most other advanced industrial countries get closer to this kind of taxatio n level than the US does, and their economies seem to work somewhat better.

Giving the greedy bastards in society loads of money isn't the same as givi ng the more productive members of society generous remuneration for their s ervice, and anybody with a better grasp of reality than John Larkin would b e aware of this.

Bill Gates isn't any kind of poster child for the US system. He was born wi th a silver spoon in his mouth, dropped out of Harvard, was willing to get into bed with IBM with his operating systrem - MS/DOS - when Gary Kildall ( with CP/M) wasn't - and shrewdly exploited the natural monopoly that this h anded to him.

Somebody from a less well-off family would have found more difficult to do as well. The US doesn't score well on inter-generational social mobility, a nd places like Scandinavia and Germany do better. These place also have les s unequal income distributions - still unequal but over a smaller range.

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In the UK where tidal range is huge (eg Liverpool) at nearly 10m is it will increase the storm surge flood risk for the highest spring tides.

But in places that are used to under half that tidal range like Iceland it would still make a mess of existing harbours at spring high tide.

In places like Cocoa beach in Florida used to a mere 5 foot tidal range an extra 2' of water is quite a big deal (I expect the prediction to be wildly pessimistic - I don't anticipate any very sudden rise myself).

It will certainly impact the value of previously beachside property.

In the UK the Crown (or Duchy's in the gift of the monarch) lays claim to all land between the low tide mark and high water mark. They also own almost the entire UK seabed out to 12 nautical miles.

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The discussion is about income, rather than wealth, and Thomas Piketty worked from income tax data.

The very well-off have bigger and better tax loop-holes than the rest of us, and it's now cheaper for them to declare their income and avoid taxes than it is cheat and evade tax.

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bill.sloman

Two miles from me I see a peak tidal range of 12m, and ten miles away it is 14m peak.

Twice I've seen the water flowing "backwards" over the tops of the city locks, into the city.

When there's a low pressure plus a large tidal range, I go and watch people surfing/canoeing up the river.

/At the moment/ that is all the /extreme/ end of normal.

If Trump really believes global warming is a hoax, then he wouldn't spend any money on insuring his beachfront properties against AGW.

A few years ago I read credible reports that he did insure them.

Actions, words, etc.

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Tom Gardner wrote in news:9YtfE.112976$ snipped-for-privacy@fx12.am:

Don't forget profanities and hand gestures... lots of hand gestures. The FCC should be fining him for the cussing... for each act. The blatantly defiant unamerican bastard even took the broadcasters oath years ago. Fines, AND imprisonment!

It only serves to prove just how stupid he is, since the only intelligent things being done in his organization are being done by folks he hired, not by him. All the while he blabs on with his abject buffoonery.

And the new one... flag hugs. At least that flag had the right colors. Not one soul noticed that ALL the flags at the 'summit' had the blue color of North Korea, NOT the US. It seems to me that Donald J. Trump and most of the party I back, are too goddamned stupid to catch the subtle insults the world gives us. Donald J. Trump is an NYC insult to the rest of the nation, and too many of you idiots sucked it all up. That proves the military's assessment of the nation's average adult IQ level. You dipshits barely rate higher than a sixth grade level intelligence. And that is a sad fact.

I am quite sure that this putting off of responsibility onto others is his std MO. This is how he squirmed out of his asbestos debacle back in the '80s. Now the retarded jerk is trying to make it a useable 'product' again.

Donald J. Trump AND many of his family members should be imprisoned down at the federal facility we all know as GITMO. Bread and water, that is what they deserve.

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DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno

Have you ever heard of somebody buying a whole life insurance policy because their brother-in-law is an insurance salesman?

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bulegoge

Yes. We should imprison all people who use profanity, and make threats, in publically accessable media. Double the punishment for people who conceal their actual identity.

He didn't pour the concrete and install the elevators himself in all those buildings? Lazy bum.

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no I think it is more about fairness

people don't mind if someone else does better if they deserve it based on talent or hard work...

but people don't like to be cheated

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