OT: No chicken-COP here...

Only if you are stupid enough to not wear hearing protection. Our local range requires both hearing protection and eye protection..

Dan

Even with hearing protection, you damage your hearing - not as much as if you were playing Rambo, but enough that my dentist gave it up.

Dentists aren't - as a rule - stupid, and this one certainly wasn't.

Yep. ...Jim Thompson

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you were playing Rambo, but enough that my dentist gave it up.

But if you can dig up some studies that conclusively show that hearing deg rades more with loud noises even if one uses hearing protection , I will be interested in reading the study. But do not expect me to accept anecdotal statements from a dentist as any sort of proof.

Dan

Don't be silly; our species is very good at finding uses for ... almost anything. If you can't use input, accept feedback, you're just a bad communicator. You'd be a bad op amp, too.

I've never been to a range that didn't require both. One range wasn't policed (gun club out in the middle of nowhere - no attendants) but it was a posted rule. Who wouldn't use protection? Crazy!

Wrong. He has nothing useful to say at all, much less the US or its politics.

You're right. I'm not into negative feedback.

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If you knew a bit more, you might have heard of boilermakers deafness - as I had before I had that conversation with my London dentist.

Hearing does also degrade just with age, but boiler-makers deafness is dist inctly worse.

Hearing protection reduces the damage, but it isn't - and can't be - all th at effective, since sound wave propagate through the body as well as down t he ear canal.

It has been claimed the young people's enthusiasm for very loud music puts them at a similar risk. One colleague (Russian and now dead) managed a pop band in his spare time when he was young, and blamed his poor hearing on th at.

Odd. Krw doesn't post any other kind.

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people have gotten smarter and wear hearing protection ...

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Hearing protection can't be perfect - unless you suspend yourself inside so me kind of chamber that's magnetically levitated in a vacuum - so noise-ind uced hearing loss can be reduced by ear-protection and ear-muffs, but they won't stop the noise getting in via bone conduction, and if there's enough of it you'll still get damage. Gun shots are - briefly - very loud indeed.

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Which isn't perfect.

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ring degrades more with loud noises even if one uses hearing protection , I will be interested in reading the study. But do not expect me to accept a necdotal statements from a dentist as any sort of proof.

all that effective, since sound wave propagate through the body as well as down the ear canal.

But hearing protection does eliminate hearing loss. The ears are not damag ed by some noise. In fact they exist to let us hear noises. So hearing pro tection does not have to be perfect. So where is your peer reviewed resear ch that proves different?

some kind of chamber that's magnetically levitated in a vacuum - so noise-i nduced hearing loss can be reduced by ear-protection and ear-muffs, but the y won't stop the noise getting in via bone conduction, and if there's enoug h of it you'll still get damage. Gun shots are - briefly - very loud indeed .

And which if it were perfect , you could hear nothing.

Dan

earing degrades more with loud noises even if one uses hearing protection , I will be interested in reading the study. But do not expect me to accept anecdotal statements from a dentist as any sort of proof.

- all that effective, since sound wave propagate through the body as well a s down the ear canal.

Where's your peer-reviewed evidnece that supports that claim?

noises. So hearing protection does not have to be perfect.

Not the most quantitative of arguments.

It isn't all that quantitative. It does point out that

"However, hearing loss can also result from single or repeated sudden noise exposure, which is generally referred to as acoustic trauma. Exposure to s udden impulse noise is more detrimental than exposure to steady state noise ".

It then goes on to say that it's mainly focussed on sustained noise exposur e, rather than the acoustic trauma that you get when you fire a gun ...

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-induced hearing loss can be reduced by ear-protection and ear-muffs, but t hey won't stop the noise getting in via bone conduction, and if there's eno ugh of it you'll still get damage. Gun shots are - briefly - very loud inde ed.

The point about bone conduction does put a limit on the extent to which you can protect the cochlear with headphones and ear-muffs, but you don't want to think about that, do you ...

How's that working out for you, Bill, that surgery you had substituting piss for saliva ?>:-} ...Jim Thompson

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From your cite.

CONCLUSIONS AND RELEVANCE:

Earplug use is effective in preventing temporary hearing loss after loud music exposure. The present randomized clinical trial adds proof to the scarce evidence and knowledge on this topic, which is a growing global problem.

Ear muffs are more effective than ear plugs, and of course both ear plugs and ear muffs used together is even better.

Dan

Jim-even-further-out-of-touch-with-reality-than-usual-Thompson being characteristically inane.

Loud music is sustained acoustic abuse. Gun shots are brief episodes of acoustic trauma - and a good deal louder than the peak intensity of loud music.

Musicians don't generate supersonic shock waves. Guns do.

Do learn to think - it would save us all quite a bit of time leading you to the obvious conclusion.

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to the obvious conclusion.

come on Bill, your claim is that hearing protection doesn't work against gu n noise and where asked to point to some studies that show that, not that l oud noises can cause hearing damage, we all know that.

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gun noise and where asked to point to some studies that show that, not that loud noises can cause hearing damage, we all know that.

Why should I bother? My London dentist had done that years ago.

Dan wants to keep on believing that he can keep on shooting and not damage his hearing, and he has a touching faith that the ear protection he uses wi ll actually protect his hearing. It's called wishful thinking, except that thinking doesn't come into it.