OT: Moon Landing

John Larkin wrote in news: snipped-for-privacy@4ax.com:

There would not even have been a shuttle were it not for the manned moon missions.

It took decades of serious science to do it and that made us world leaders, and even allowed a putz like you to jump on board.

And also NO, idiot... Usenet would not even have evolved were it not for NASA and the demands those years of research required and inspired.

Maybe you should look the word up.

"Why do anything" could be a valid question for a lot of human endeavors. Could say the same about radio telescopes studying distant gaseous nebulae.

I think sometimes people need a little something to hope for and be proud of, in a Make America Great-kind of vein. It's something America seems to be missing right now, too.

Even if that's all it accomplished and nothing else (I don't agree that's the case but whatever) then I don't think it was a particularly bad value. Compared to all the money that's been spent on weapons by all the countries in the world over the years the price tag was a pittance.

The astronauts who signed up understood the risks, went anyway, and died with their boots on. Seems like a perfectly American thing to do, to me.

That's why their names will be remembered and the name of the habitual shit poster who started this thread will be forgotten.

The astronauts who perished, rather. Thankfully (and in no small part due to the skill of the engineers involved) the great majority survived.

Space flight, like high-energy physics, is primarily a cultural activity. (Space flight also has a strong military dimension.)

Cheers

Phil Hobbs

Being a bloggs is an easy job. Don't have to do anything but complain.

If the Shuttle design weren't at least partially dictated by DOD requirements it wouldn't have had those big delta wings for crossrange. A pure scientific vehicle doesn't really need 1000km of crossrange.

There is one thing that speaks against a hoax is that when the Soviets noticed that they are going to loose the Moon race, they would have tried to discredit any US results.

The Soviets as well as some radio amateurs in different places of the Earth were able to directly receive transmissions from the Apollo space crafts.

In order to fake it, you at least need an (unmanned) transponder on lunar orbit and the surface of the Moon to get the continuously changing dopplers right.

Those that claims it was a hoax assumes that the only signal source was through NASA, while there were other independent receivers.

You and a bunch of other know-nothings here are a brain washed buffoons. I' ve done enough research on government claims to know their claims are almos t always outright lies.

Take this freeze dried food preservation process. It actually dates back to 1906. You can read about it here, and these people should know:

Freeze-drying was invented by Jacques-Arsene d?Arsonval at the Coll ege de France in Paris in 1906. Later, during World War II, it was widely i mplemented to preserve blood serum. Since then freeze-drying has become one of the most important processes for preservation of heat-sensitive biologi cal materials. During the 1950s, industrial freeze-drying of foods began. F reeze-drying is currently used as a preservation method for foods, pharma-c euticals, and a wide range of other products.

The Apollo program was a huge government boondoggle. A bunch of them were R IF'd by early 70s, conservative control of the executive branch of governme nt decided the charade was too expensive to continue.

Moving onto the mouse, it was derived from concepts developed during WW II for radar fire control trackballs. You can read the history here. There is no focking mention of any focking NASA!

You need to just move to a dark quiet place and continue your fantasy obsession of your Puritan ancestors. Leave reality to grounded people to evaluate.

At least it had. The launch of Sputnik I (and the much heavier Sputnik II/III) indicated that the Soviets had a big ICBM (R-7).

Of course, R-7 was a bad ICBM, since it required a easily destroyable launch pads, which could only launch 1-2 missiles each day. But anyhow, it caused panic in the US.

An other thing that crippled the shuttle was the DoD requirement to return tons of material from orbit to ground, when even manned flights needs a 1-2 ton capsule. Unmanned do not require any return loads.

If Von Braun and his crew hadn't showed up, the American buffoons would still be trying to use a scaled up Estes pressurized water rocket...

During WW II, War Dept let over a $1M (that they admit to) contract GE to reverse engineer the simplified V1. They couldn't get to square one, had no idea how it could even fly.

Radio amateurs were measuring the Doppler shifts? OK, found an answer:

You mean the V2, surely?

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I wouldn't know about that, but it seems there's nothing like as much evidence for a faked man moon landing as there is for Dubya & Cheney's involvement in 911.

But manned space flight? The Pentagon hasn't been very interested in that.

Comm satellites are OK, but fibers move a lot more data. Weather satellites and GPS and Google Earth type things are useful. The moon landings, and the ISS were, as you say, political/emotional endeavours.

Today's New York Times has a special 32-page section about manned landings on the moon, past and future. I still see no reason for either.

The shuttle was a terrible idea. It was too deadly to keep going.

World leaders in doing what? Wasting money and killing schoolteachers?

Disagree. The Internet was inevitable.

I don't see "NASA" on that page.

What was the MOL project (a Gemini capsule on top of a 3 m diameter space laboratory to be launched by Titan III M) ?

Why did the Shuttle have such huge return load capacity other than returning a military space laboratory ?

No, I mean the V1. They had a largely intact V1 to be used for the project.