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What you have on your side is the child's way of putting docs on a pedestal, despite the realities.

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No, what I have on my side is placing /greater/ trust in someone who has studied a subject, has passed a variety of tests and examinations judging their knowledge and ability, and has experience at working in the field - rather than some guy off the internet.

That does not mean I assume that doctors are always right, or always know best - or even that they are always doing their best. Doctors are humans too, and medical science is a vastly complex subject with lots of unknowns.

But anyone with two braincells to rub together will appreciate that there is a far better chance that their doctor is right than the random guy off the internet.

Of course, you are not just some random guy off the internet - you are a lunatic fringe paranoid conspiracy theorist. No one who has read your posts would trust you with a band-aid, never mind blood pressure medicine.

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David Brown

Ssshhh!!! If you don't tell them it has benefit! By telling them you destroy the effect. Geeze, do you have to be such a killjoy?

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Rick C.

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Rick C.

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You only wrote that because I telepathically told your subconscious mind to do so. Better find that tin-foil hat - who knows what I'll make you do next?

(What's the right smiley for evil cackling?)

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David Brown

Old Testament - or perhaps "off topic"...

There's plenty of stuff there with god changing his mind. "Kill your son" - "no, wait, don't". "I'm going to destroy the world and kill everyone" - "no, wait, I'll just flood most of it". And so on.

And all this stuff about sending out the Israelites to wage war on worshippers of Baal, killing all the men, women and children (as Monty Python would say, "In my mercy") - it's all gods' civil wars by proxy.

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Rick C.

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significant statistical evidence that praying for someone helps. "

It's a mater of faith Know what that is ? It's believing something for whic h there is no evidence but someone who dresses funny said so. People someti mes ask me if I believe in something. I ask them "What do you mean believe IN ?". Either I believe something or I don't, I have no conception of belie ving IN anything. There are things in which I place my confidence, but that is not faith. I got new tires so I am confident that I am not going to hav e a random blowout. I tightened the screws really good on this workbench I built so I am confident that it is not going to fall down. That chair looks pretty well constructed, I am fairly confident I will not be injured becau se of it collapsing when I sit in it.

And I can't pray anyway. I will not bow to anything or anyone. Ever. I will not worship anyone or anything. EVER. Praise is meted out sparingly. I don 't thank people for doing their job and I don't expect it either. I won't a ccept thank for helping someone at work. I tell them "The same guy pays bot h of us, that means this is a team, you owe me no thanks".

I got rid of all that bullshit on my life and religion went with it. If the re is a god as most people conceive him, I'm pretty sure he doesn't want pe ople blindly following words written by mentally unstable people and spendi ng all day cowering in fear. Any god worth a shit would want you to do your own thinking.

So really, if you "believe", you don't WANT my prayers, they might piss off your god and he kills the guy.

I wish him well. I hope he gets out of the death camp alive and well. With any luck he slipped and fell and just has to deal with that, if the rest of your body works you are on pretty good shape. Even if it is an accident/in jury, those are harder to deal with when old, and he invented dirt, it's on his website. As long as he is not permanently crippled, it is better than having your organs not working. Maybe I should send him some whiskey, I can 't drink it.

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jurb6006

I saw one study that claimed that half of initial diagnoses were wrong. A lot of mine have been. My GP, a nice and usually competant lady, recently told me to do exactly the wrong thing. She told me to increase the dosage of a medication that was actually causing my problem. Then she sent me to a specialist who got it wrong too. The particular side effect is noted on the web.

MDs make a lot of mistakes. They need to be managed.

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wrong. "

Like when they told the olman he had congestive heart failure and a week la ter said he had the heart of a 20 year old ?

Just like diagnosing anything else that is very complex, mistakes are made. Plus people are not very good about telling their doctor things that are i mportant but they don't think so. This is where vets are much better. "Wher e does it hurt ?", "WOOF !". This is probably good reason for good doctors to give much more weight to their test results than what the patient says.

I think someone with a good enough mind to design things (that actually wor k) is smart enough to speak intelligently with a doctor and take part in th eir own care, to be proactive. Of course others are just dumb as a box of r ocks. "Went to the doctor see what he could give me". I'm sure that in work ing with the public, doctors have come to expect stupidity. As far as my pa rticular doctors, I think they like having an aware patient.

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jurb6006

Brown's a damn fool. KF'd here on my newsreader some time ago and seemingly incapable of rehabilitation.

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later said he had the heart of a 20 year old ?

A 20 year old who is suffering from congestive heart failure? What happene d to your dad?

ork) is smart enough to speak intelligently with a doctor and take part in their own care, to be proactive. Of course others are just dumb as a box of rocks. "Went to the doctor see what he could give me". I'm sure that in wo rking with the public, doctors have come to expect stupidity. As far as my particular doctors, I think they like having an aware patient.

If you don't have training, how do you know what is important and what is n ot? I expect my doctor to ask the important and even not so important ques tions. I don't know everything to tell him.

Rick C.

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Indeed. The age when their unquestioned pronouncements were treated with the utmost reverence are long over, thank goodness.

Case in point. A lady friend of mine was taken in to see a general practitioner after displaying mild psychotic symptoms which had suddenly presented out of the blue. She had no medical history of psychiatric disorders. She was promptly whisked off to the psychiatric wing of a large general hospital on the south coast of England. Two doctors there certified her as insane so she was not allowed to leave and ended up spending 10 days literally locked-up in a psycho ward being pumped full of heavy-duty neuroleptics including largactyl and haloperidol. Just like something out of One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest. Nothing either I nor her family could say to the various doctors and charge nurses made the slightest bit of difference; they'd made up their minds and knew best. Except of course they didn't. It was eventually grudgingly accepted by these clowns that this acute psychotic episode had arisen solely as a consequence of a urinary tract infection - and this is by no means uncommon! No apology or investigation was ever carried out so we may infer no lessons were learned and the same thing can happen any time to anyone else. This was not in the 1950s; neither in the 60s or 70s, but only 3 years ago. It's nothing short of scandalous.

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Cursitor Doom

Yes.

In my case, I was diagnosed with an incurable age-related condition, when I actually had a drug allergy. There were three possible drug reactions, and the up/down reaction time constant for each was around a week. So it took about three months of experimenting and confirmation to confirm which drug was causing the problem. I had to do that myself. Pity, I really liked the bad one.

The worst MD was the ENT, who diagnosed my problem before he met me, and ignored plain evidence of the allergy. ENTs seem to be less than the cream of the medical crop.

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ned to your dad? "

OK, from the top :

"> Like when they told the olman he had congestive heart failure and a week later said he had the heart of a 20 year old ? "

they = doctor

olman = my Father, about 20 years older than I at the time

congestive heart failure" = much cloggage to the heart muscle and makes p eople prone to cardiac arrest

a week later = seven days approximately

heart of a 20 year old = descriptive term for the actual condition of his cardio situation, meaning that it is in good shape and he is not in danger of cardiac arrest, diametrically contradicting the "diagnosis" of a very s hort time ago

Now, how did you get that he was 20 years old ? I did not type that. The "h eart of a 20 year old" does not make someone 20 years old when they;re in t heir 60s.

Just a little FYI on that.

not? "

Because I now how to educate myself. That's why I have such a varied skill set. Not that I would try to be a doctor.

Today at my followup after the cataract, ew drops - "So what are these ?". "The old drops O told you to stop using are a steroid with antibiotic, you are past the stage of danger of infection so you don't need the anibiotic a nymore and you shouldn't overuse them. So the new drops are the steroid wit hout the antibiotic".

I can look all that up on the net and find out everything about them. I don 't believe many of them would ever lie, but none of them knows everything. They take a test and miss that one question, still got a 90+ % and an A, bu t lacks that one piece of information.

Like a guy I worked with who was an electronics engineering student. Didn't know the difference between an across the line noise cap and an MOV. I sai d "Look at the board, see that symbol with the 2 right triangles end to end , does that look like a capacitor to you ?".

Much more formally educated than I, why did I have to teach him rather than the other way around ?

Because I learn better than they can teach me.

I would not try to be a doctor. And though I would wire an entire house I w ill not wire a backup generator to the main panel. I would after doing it o nce with someone who had done it before, and of course I can RTFM, but ther e are things that are not in the book, and in the case of backup generators , electric company linemen have been killed when someone had one wired wron g. Easy enough, doown to the union hall, nd even though in the good union t hy avoid residential like the plague, I could get one of them to wire in a generator because it is not dealing with things in the walls where you have no idea where they go or come from. I'll do all that, I just need someone to do this one thing. Almost like a dentist shouldn't do open heart surgery . You have to know your limitations. I have never done it before so I won't do it alone.

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As do I, and he/they do.

Same here and I don't pretend to either.

Oh shit, didn't I say I was going to stop responding to you ?

Oh well, not going to dump it now.

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jurb6006

these clowns that this acute psychotic episode had arisen solely as a consequence of a urinary tract infection - and this is by no means uncommon!"

I never heard of that. You have no reason to lie, I accept it, but I am hav ing a bit of trouble believing it is not uncommon. I might have to look it up and find out just by what mechanism thins can happen. To be safe I recom mend beer, keeps that urinary tract nice and clean.

Wow though, I AM going to have to look that up.

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jurb6006

the cream of the medical crop. "

I doubt I would conclude that unless I had been to several of them at different venues. Like any other job, some places do not attract the best people.

I can't really disagree though, maybe you have been to a bunch of them, I have no idea.

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dom poster on the interwebs.

al, despite the realities.

There's nothing childish about preferring established medical practice to d ubious opinions culled from the web. NT does seem to have a weakness for th is sort of rubbish, and he gets offended if anybody suggests that he's a tr ifle gullible.

Nobody is claiming that medically qualified doctors are infallible, or that what they do reflects the best and latest scientific evidence available, b ut posts from NT haven't been backed up by links to web-sites that actually support what he was claiming at the time, even though he seemed to think t hat they did.

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Cursitor Doom really doesn't like informed criticism, and values the opinions of people who share his bizarre gullibilities.

Being kill-filed by him isn't actually a loss.

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But she was mildly psychotic and presumably not all that cooperative.

It's well known that any doctor confronted with an apparently psychotic pat ient needs to give them a very thorough physical examination, which isn't a lways easy to carry out on a psychotic patient, and consequently may get sk ipped.

Diagnosing a urinary tract infection isn't all that easy - the infectious a gent is going to be present in the urine, but detecting the infectious agen t may take a while, and getting a less-than-cooperative patient to provide a urine sample has it's own problems.

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