OT is JT OK?

Cheers

Phil Hobbs

I will take a break at least until we hear from Jim.

Dan

I don't know what you are referring to as "research".

Rick C.

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art with reading the research? Can you really have missed that?

Tabb clearly hasn't read enough of what research there has been.

There has been published research on the theraputic efficacy of prayer.

It all seems to have been done by people who were medically qualified, rath er than scientifically trained, and has never produced anything that was st atistically distinguishable from no effect at all, though the statistical a nalysis can show up in critical comments on the original papers, rather tha n in the investigators' published report.

The Cochrane Collaboration thinks that the prayers, and the studies of thei r efficacy, are a waste of time. If the patient knows about the prayers, th ere may be a placebo effect, which is why the research has to be double-bli nd.

If you are going to pray for somebody, you really ought to make sure that t hey know about it. Claiming to have prayed for them seems very likely to be equally effective.

He means applied wishful thinking by medically qualified god-botherers.

There are quite a few misleading papers in the medical literature, including some on the theraputic efficacy of prayer.

Zero, after reading your electric heater post and the ridiculous misunderstanding about efficiency.

Yes, especially when most of it happens on Sundays, His day off.

I really love the comments of George Carlin on this.

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which one of the many Gods?

There can't be multiple Gods. If there were, they would have destroyed the universe with civil wars by now.

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rayer could actually piss him off and cause someone harm, no?

humans have spend a lot of time killing each over it

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rayer could actually piss him off and cause someone harm, no?

As usual your inflated sense of self worth has prevented you from seeing th e big picture. What makes you think the gods actually inhabit the same wor ld as us? We could easily be God's petri dish and none of them would pay u s any mind when they have issues with each other.

Rick C.

Humans are fallible.

Last I heard from him was they were putting him on a BP drug - to raise it. I told him to get a BP meter and test himself, watch for symptoms and all that before committing to that drug. I doubt he did what I said.

The 2 common drugs they use for that are not things I would want to take. One makes your kidneys retain sodium, and the other is similar to a vasoconstrictor. But hoe else do you do it ?

I say don't. People with low blood pressure usually live longer. (in my experience) Maybe Jim was annoying his doctor too much and...

I have never seen any studies of scientific quality that showed any significant statistical evidence that praying for someone helps. (/Telling/ people that someone is praying for them can have a placebo effect - equally, it can have a nocebo effect on those that think it is a load of crock.)

Some studies have been published showing a negative effect of prayer, but the metastudies all show it is completely irrelevant to the person being prayed for, if they are not aware of it.

If it makes /you/ feel better, go ahead and pray - freedom of religion is a wonderful thing, and you should take advantage of it. If you think it helps JT, or helps others in this group who worry about him, go for it.

Just don't imagine that there is any scientific evidence that praying has an objective effect - positive or negative.

So are gods, in all religions that have multiple gods. It is only monotheist religions that like to think their god is infallible (and even then, they are not so sure - look at the times the OT god changes his mind).

And often, in polytheist religions (and the OT), the gods fight their civil wars by proxy, using humans.

You mean you think he might have trusted his trained, experienced medical doctors rather than some random paranoid bloke off the internet? JT may be many things, but he is not stupid enough to take medical advice from a s.e.d. poster!

A lot of people would be long dead if they'd not listened to some random poster on the interwebs.

NT

And no doubt far more would still be alive.

Neither of us has any references or statistics to back this up, but I have common sense on my side.