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I assume conservatives and liberals are of similar average intelligence.  B
ut one points to the other side and claims they are more stupid.  This expl
ains it and it does make sense.

https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2017/02/why-fake-news-targeted-
trump-supporters/515433/

Conservatives are more likely to believe fake news because they are "hyper-
attuned" to hazards. They beleive it's better to believe a hazard may exist
 than ignore it.

Liberals have a greater "need for cognition," or an interest in thinking cr
itically.

Studies have found that conservatives are more likely than liberals to beli
eve conspiracy theories that align with their beliefs.

"We?ve tried to do [fake news with] liberals. It just has never wor
ked, it never takes off. You'll get debunked within the first two comments  
and then the whole thing just kind of fizzles out."

Re: OT: Interesting study about fake news
On Wed, 13 Sep 2017 10:38:55 -0700 (PDT), snipped-for-privacy@gmail.com wrote:

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But the most afraid and neurotic people are liberals. The
conservatives are out there with pickups-with-tow-packages and chain
saws and shotguns.  

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They just think they do.


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Re: OT: Interesting study about fake news
On 13/09/17 20:44, John Larkin wrote:
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That's because they are afraid of something and have to
defend their precious bodily fluids or something.

Since liberals don't feel the need t are bears, clearly
they aren't so afraid :)

Neuroticism isn't confined to any one group.
Mensch ist mensch.


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And that differs from libertards exactly how? :)
Mensch is mensch.

Re: OT: Interesting study about fake news
On Wed, 13 Sep 2017 21:05:47 +0100, Tom Gardner

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No, it's because they are having fun with real, sometimes dangerous,
stuff. Liberals tend to be bad with physical stuff. That's not a
political statement, it's just what I see. And do.


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I bet a lot more lawyers are in psychotherapy as compared to, say,
lumberjacks.

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Different types of people have very different concepts of causality.


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On Thursday, September 14, 2017 at 9:59:57 AM UTC+10, John Larkin wrote:
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ce.  But one points to the other side and claims they are more stupid.  Thi
s explains it and it does make sense.
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geted-trump-supporters/515433/
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hyper-attuned" to hazards. They beleive it's better to believe a hazard may
 exist than ignore it.
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Driving pickups along narrow back-country roads may be fun, but it isn't al
l that "real", or all that dangerous. The phrase "boys toys" comes to mind.

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If John Larkin knew more about physics, his idea of what constitutes "physi
cal stuff" might have some value.
  
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Clearly true. John Larkin has a neurotic fear that effective action against
 anthropogenic global warming will involve a reduction in the number of kil
owatts of power available to every citizen. It's a comical mistake, but one
 that counselling doesn't seem to be able to correct.
  
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Psychoanalysis doesn't work, and it is expensive. Lawyers are more likely t
o have the money to waste than lumberjacks.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20033130

would suggest that lawyers - facing more emotional demands would be more at
 risk than lumberjacks who would enjoy a higher levels of job discretion, g
ood job training and clearly defined job tasks.  
  
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ing critically.

I wonder what John Larkin thought that that meant.

Most people understand what A causes B means. Some - like John Larkin - are
 a bit weak on the mechanisms by which A might cause B, but that's not a di
fferent concept of causality, it's ignorance about the mechanisms involved.

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Re: OT: Interesting study about fake news
On Wednesday, September 13, 2017 at 6:59:57 PM UTC-5, John Larkin wrote:
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Wow isn't that a load. You make it sound like liberals can't physically exist.

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Some of the things you supposedly see and do are quite concerning.

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Re: OT: Interesting study about fake news
On 2017/09/13 4:59 PM, John Larkin wrote:
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I suspect you consider me a Liberal, but I am a Canadian Liberal who  
would probably be a socialist in your world view (our socialists are  
called New Democrats, too far to the left for me usually - but I did  
vote for them in the last provincial election as the incumbent Liberals  
were far too corrupt).

For fun I ride motorcycles and love fast corners on our mountain roads  
and driving in city traffic doesn't phase me at all.

I also have a rifle gallery at our local amusement park where folks can  
shoot rifles and pistols using an internal strobe tube and 2-transistor  
(Phil it isn't anything wired though) CDS photo receptor and then some  
silly stuffed animal moves or sqeaks or does something...great fun. I  
like shooting, but I need to get a licence to own or use a gun in Canada  
and I fail to see why that is a bad thing. Makes one consider the  
ramifications of having a deadly tool/toy around the house where  
children or other creatures hang out.

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?? (Someone needs to proof read - I try to but stuff gets by me too of  
course.)

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Heard of PTSD? A lot of nice folks in the military suffer from that. So  
it depends on the group you select to demonstrate who needs more help.

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And that makes the world interesting, doesn't it? Have you read fiction?  
Or does it bother you when authors make things up to get a story or  
point across?

John

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How does getting permission from the government make you consider the
ramifications of misusing an obviously deadly weapon?  I guess you
think that I'm a better person because I have permission from the
government to carry a concealed weapon.  It _must_ make me safer.
Right?

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Like you did above?

Re: OT: Interesting study about fake news
On 14/09/17 00:59, John Larkin wrote:
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As far as I can see the NRA (and most statements on
this group) "justify" guns on the basis that they
are protecting their family. Rarely are there statements
that shooting up road signs (or whatever) for fun
is the reason they have them.


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Probably. Perhaps if psychotherapists were forcibly
relocated to Woodsville Alaska, more lumberjacks
would get the help they so richly deserve ;) After
all, up there "the odds are good, but the goods
are odd".


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Indeed, but that doesn't invalidate the point,
and that doesn't mean the concepts are valid.

Hindus don't have the concept of "time's arrow";
it is "the wheel of time" - to the extent that the Hindi
word for tomorrow is the /same/ as for yesterday. And, as
one Bangalore project manager confided to me w.r.t an
"optimistic" schedule, "you see, in India we explicitly
believe in miracles".

Re: OT: Interesting study about fake news
On Thu, 14 Sep 2017 08:08:31 +0100, Tom Gardner

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As in, everybody showing up at a meeting on the same day?

In my personal experience, what Indians don't believe in is paying
bills.


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Re: OT: Interesting study about fake news
On Fri, 15 Sep 2017 08:47:32 +0100, Tom Gardner

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The Constitution has been amended many times. It has a clear process
for modifying itself; the Koran does not.


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Re: OT: Interesting study about fake news
On 15/09/17 15:41, John Larkin wrote:
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My very limited understanding is that there are bits
bolted onto the Koran, the Hadith or something.

Nonetheless there is a marked tendency to treat both
as works that cannot be questioned, and where nuances
of meaning are argued about to a ridiculous extent.
How many angels can dance on the head of a pin, and
all that.

Re: OT: Interesting study about fake news
On Fri, 15 Sep 2017 16:10:15 +0100, Tom Gardner

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As noted, the US constitution has been amended many times. The basic
idea of a Constitution is that the People agree on the law under which
they are governed. The amendment process is, by design, slow and
deliberate, to keep things from changing too fast, and to respect the
rights of regions and minorities. It was really well designed.

What's amazing is that all three branches of government respect and
defer to the Constitution. Even more amazing is that the other two
branches of government respect the Supreme Court's final say on
constitutional interpretation. To paraphrase somebody (Stalin?), the
Courts have no army.

I think of the Constitution as the equivalent to the unprovable axioms
of mathematics, an agreed moral basis for everything else.


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Re: OT: Interesting study about fake news
John Larkin wrote on 9/16/2017 2:16 PM:
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There would seem to be irony in the fact that some consider the second  
amendment the final barrier against tyranny while utilizing that clause for  
the overthrow of the US government would in fact be treason against the  
Constitution.  A bit of a paradox, no?

I find it a bit absurd to use the term "moral" in the context of law.  The  
law is in no way related to morality.  The law is used and abused by the few  
to the detriment of the many.  Ignorance is not bliss.  We have a legal  
system, not a justice system.

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No.  They only advocate resistance if the government violates the  
Constitution.


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"You can't legislate morality", we've been told.  The absurdity of this  
claim is that the Constitution was inspired by the Enlightenment, in  
which it was argued that humans are unique among animals because we have  
the "moral sense", which is the sense of right and wrong, and that is  
the reason we were thought to be able to govern ourselves.  The old idea  
was that only the king knows right from wrong.  So you're claiming that  
the law can't be based on right and wrong.  Then what is law supposed to  
be based on?  The latest fad?




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Tom Del Rosso wrote on 9/16/2017 6:04 PM:
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Many believe that has already happened.  The bottom line is the government  
decides when the Constitution is violated.  right?

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Law is not about, "right and wrong".  No two people will agree in all cases  
what is right and what is wrong.  So how can the law define what is right  
and wrong?  It doesn't.  It defines what is legal.  That's all.

The application of law deviates even further from "right and wrong".  It  
depends on people doing what they are supposed to do and doing it 100%.  
None of us are perfect and often we have ulterior motives.  I have seen  
people convicted in court of offenses they were not guilty of because they  
didn't understand the law.  Even when this was obvious the prosecution  
didn't care, all the easier for them and the judge can't rule other than on  
the evidence.  The defense attorney was doing the minimum required, being in  
court.  So much for the law being about "right and wrong".

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Re: OT: Interesting study about fake news
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No.  Soldiers, presidents, and mailmen swear an oath to defend the  
Constitution, not to obey the government.  To do that they must have  
their own sense of judgement abou it.


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It has to be *based* on something.  Law is based on our sense of right  
and wrong.  Yes, no two people will agree all the time about right and  
wrong, just as they won't always agree about what the law should be.  
When they decide what the law should be they consider what is right.


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"Ignorance of the law is no excuse."  If legislators act correctly they  
consider right and wrong when they draft laws.  They don't always seem  
to consider it, but they are supposed to.  Once the law is made the  
judge isn't supposed to consider what is right.  He's supposed to  
consider the law.  (I said a couple of months ago that you don't  
understand judicial activism.)  Aparently you don't realize that if the  
judge was empowered to consider morality (aka right and wrong) instead  
of being constrained by the law then a judge could be ruthless with the  
defendant.  It wouldn't always result in leniency.




Re: OT: Interesting study about fake news
Tom Del Rosso wrote on 9/17/2017 12:42 AM:
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Good luck with that one.  You disobey an order in the military on the basis  
that you thought it was not in line with the Constitution, the military  
court doesn't agree with you and you get 20 years in jail or worse,  
convicted of treason.  It doesn't matter what your oath is if the government  
doesn't agree with your opinion.


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Silicon integrated circuits are "based" on sand, but they have nothing to do  
with beaches.  Ultimately the law has less to do with what is "right and  
wrong" and more to do with what those in power think is the best thing to  
do, usually for them or their class.


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I think you just proved the point I made above that the legal system is not  
about "right and wrong", but about the law.  It's not a justice system, it's  
a legal system.

What you seem to fail to understand is that judges have the power to make  
decisions that are not in line with the law.  They may be overruled, but  
that is someone else who is then doing the "wrong" thing.  Ultimately the  
choice of "right and wrong" falls to the Supreme Court as they have the  
final say in all matters brought before them.  They are only overruled by  
guns.  But it the vast majority of cases they will uphold the law rather  
than do what is "right".  In other cases they create law by defining what is  
intended for laws that are not clear or are being applied in new ways.  Many  
times they see what is "right" for them, not the rest of us.

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Re: OT: Interesting study about fake news
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    Wrong. Any military prisoners are sent to Ft.Leavenworth, Kansas, to  
the military prison at that base.


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Re: OT: Interesting study about fake news
Michael A. Terrell wrote on 9/27/2017 7:49 AM:
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In other words, "You're right."

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