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I believe that after a few years they determined there was no identifiable cause for the explosion, so it was decided to have been sabotage. While that doesn't make any difference for the people who lost their homes of lives, you can't say it was an industrial accident any more than being in an office tower is inherently unsafe because of WTC going down at 9-11.

Until very recent times the worst man-made explosion was in Halifax harbor many years ago. The entire city was leveled and many lost their lives. A cargo ship loaded with high explosives caught fire exploding with a force of nearly 3 kilotons of TNT, the largest ever until the detonation of nuclear munitions. The explosion even created a tsunami which wiped out a native community.

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I don't know if the cause of the fire was ever determined, but how the  
explosion was triggered by the fire was thoroughly investigated by the CSB,  
the US Chemical Safety Board.  See  
http://www.csb.gov/west-fertilizer-explosion-and-fire-/ for highlights and a  
link to the complete report.  The fire started in the seed storage room and  
as of the CSB report in 2016 the cause of the fire was still considered to  
be either faulty building wiring, faulty wiring on a golf cart in the seed  
room, or arson.  Then the fire spread to the AN storage bin next door which  
eventually led to the explosion.  Start on page 65 or so to see their most  
likely scenario, and why other fires at AN storage facilities did not  
usually lead to explosions.  Pure unconfined AN is extremely hard to  
detonate from fire alone, but in this case carbon from soot from the very  
poorly ventilated fire plus molten burning shingles and PVC pipe as the fire  
consumed the roof would have heavily contaminated the top layer of AN and  
greatly raised the likelihood of detonation from the heat.

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This explosion of an ammo depot in 1926 was way bigger, an estimated 600,00

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The Rockaway NJ explosion, "The disaster caused $47 million in damages and is considered one of the largest man-made explosions in United States history." The Halifax explosion, "The blast was the largest man-made explosion before the development of nuclear weapons". I think the Halifax explosion was the larger. Likely the NJ explosion was not all the material at once. Ah, I found another page for the Picatinny Arsenal explosion, "Over an approximate three-day period, several million pounds of explosives were detonated,"

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The Texas City explosion from 1947 was approximately 2 million pounds per s hip times 2 ships one day apart. The first one created a wave that emptied the harbor, meaning it lifted everything out of the water and deposited it on land.

Though it usually requires a stick of dynamite to get it going.

There have been several major chemical explosion disasters caused by engineers that thought that ammonium nitrate on its own isn't explosive.

Among the most famous the Texas City disaster where around 2000T of the stuff went up in a fireball. BASF plant in Oppau is the one I remember and then there is the most recent big one in Toulouse in 2001.

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Today is the 100th anniversary of the Halifax explosion.

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We do not know if it carried a dummy payload of the same weight as a nuke would be. However, even if the missile will not have sufficient range with such a payload, North Korea has demonstrated it can continually scale up its missiles for ever greater ranges. So I have no doubt that even if the Hwasong-15 missile does not have sufficient range with such a payload, and it probably does, the Hwasong-16 missile (or whatever they name it) definitely will.

They have not yet demonstrated they have a design for a reentry vehicle that can deliver a nuke to its target intact. But even if they do not already have this, I am sure they will soon figure it out.

This whole problem is a consequence of never finishing the Korean War, which should have been fought to the finish instead of starting an armistice. Now we have Kim Jong Un who wants to reunify the Korean peninsula under his control. The nukes are part of his plan to do so.

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It worked out well for Vietnam to be unified. Why not Korea?

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I hope you are not asking why Korea would not be better off unified under Kin Jong Un.

North Korea Kim Jong UN brutal Torture Prison camps defectors documentary

North Korea Kim Jong UN brutal Torture Prison camps defectors documentary

BBC Documentary North Korea and Kim Jong Un

If you are joking, this is not something to joke about.

I do not think the Vietnamese Boat People would agree that South Vietnam's unification with the North, under the control of the North, worked out well.

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I don't think Kim wants to unite North and South Korea. He has support because he lies about the state of Korea and the world. Under unification how could he maintain the lies? It would be impossible. A unified Korea would overthrow him. Don't think the military would support him as they do now. Once the population turns against Kim the military would see things differently, a crack in his armor, so to speak and he might fall very quickly.

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North Korea doesn't just want nuclear weapons for defense ? it wants them to retake South Korea:

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That's the whole argument? Some reporter writes a couple of paragraphs and we are expected to believe Kim will be happy to destroy South Korea as well as North Korea in order to unite the two?

The day that North Korea feels they can take South Korea is a *long* time in the future. In the mean time they won't be able to feed their citizens once they are back under full embargos and even China won't help them because of their nuclear obsessions.

That seems to be the point no one addresses. China doesn't want war on the Korean peninsula. That would be very bad for China all by itself, and China doesn't want to disrupt relations with the US. North Korea will never be strong enough to win a Korean war on their own and China won't help them if they start a war with the US.

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Don't try to reason with ricky. Leftists aren't reasonable.

The Business Insider is a reliable news source. However, if you do not want to believe that reporter, then hear what this North Korean defector has to say:

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The reporter wasn't "reporting", he was editorializing based on the comments . The defector seems to be saying the same thing I was. Kim can be removed from power by a popular uprising. Even your reporter seems to agree with me, "Luckily, the prospect of North Korea invading the South is slim."

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One of Kim Jong-un's motive's for nuclear warfare capability to enable him to make war with North Korea so expensive that he can take South Korea without war. Regardless of what the odds of that happening are, that is his motive.

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Since krw doesn't seem to know what reason is - and entirely lacks the capa city to generate or follow reasoned arguments - this is one of his less pla usible assertions (and he does generate a lot of decidedly implausible asse rtions).

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By way of comparison the explosive yield of the Halifax explosion was around what a single Genie air to air rocket would have delivered to an attacking Soviet jet bomber