OT: Hospitals

Many asians don't have the enzymes to metaboloze alcohol, or lactose after childhood. My Irish and German genes handle alcohol OK. I'm getting a tad lactose intolerant, but I will not give up milk or ice cream; I just pop a lactase pill and it's fine.

One problem with moonshine here is lead, from stills made from old automobile radiators, or soldered copper plumbing.

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John Larkin
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I signed myself out of a hospital three years ago. The place was run by absolute morons. The ER doctor insisted that I was diabetic and they kept sticking me, every hour, for the day I was in there. At one point the nurse told me that everyone admitted from the ER that day "had diabetes", according to the doctor. The next morning I'd had enough and told them that if they didn't get the IV out of my arm within the hour I was going to take it out. They finally started moving.

Well, enough alcohol does make you fall down. ;-)

In any case, if your liver is damaged, forget *any* alcohol until it recovers. The liver is amazing in many ways but you can't live without it. Continuing do drink after it's damaged is a good way to lose it altogether.

Pleurisy is an infection of the sack around the lungs. I don't think that's what you mean.

The nine days I was in the hospital after my heart surgery, I lost a little over ten pounds. Cheerios were about the only thing edible. The last few of times I was in the hospital (once last month) was only an overnight deal so I didn't eat anything (for about 40 hours) in the hospital. I knew it was only overnight so there was no need to eat the clammy sandwich they gave me (too late for dinner). We just stopped at a restaurant on the way home in the morning.

They didn't have those. Just walked the hall and not much of that. Their biggest thing was to exercise the lungs (blow in the thingy 20 times a day). They figured the legs still worked (though I did have a couple of slices where they harvested veins). Too much stuff dragging along to bother walking.

That's fine, as long as it does. The oxygen is in case it doesn't by itself. It's more about downside risk rather than helping to improve.

Watch the kidneys, too. Lasix is really tough on them. Watch your blood pressure, too. Lasix can be a really fine line to walk.

I did. I haven't had any alcohol in over ten years. I rarely miss it (twice a year, really). My cardiologist actually said I could have one drink a day. I tell my wife, he didn't say how big.

Get well. It sucks but save your energy for the battles that need to be fought. The nurses aren't worth the effort. They're just doing their job and don't really have much to say about the path you're going to take. The doctors are the ones you have to watch. ...and the administration but for an entirely different reason (I've found them to be the most useless people in the whole hospital).

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krw

That's one of the side effects. They can destroy muscle tissue.

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krw

Mine HDL is exceptionally high, too, but I still had a triple bypass (they didn't do the fourth because it wasn't worth the extra time on the heart-lung machine). My LDL was high but not exceptionally so, so my doctor didn't put me on statins. Oops. I am now (40mg atorvastatin).

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krw

Muscle pains are something to be very worried about when taking statins.

Exercise didn't help me. I walk about 15 miles a day, 6+ (about two hours) of it on a treadmill and it didn't do anything for either. Well, I did drop about 15 lbs over the last couple of months (when I was in A-Flutter) but it hadn't changed at all in two years. They keep my heart rate so scaled back so far that I think my metabolism stopped. ;-)

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krw

It really does depend on your doctors. But don't blow stuff off until you know about it properly, that has a tendency to kill people. I've watched that.

NT

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tabbypurr

Doctors are people too, with all that goes with it. Sometimes they even forget the obvious (like checking to ensure the patient is unconscious before lighting him up with 100J through the chest).

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krw

There's one GP round here who has never failed to make an idiot of himself in a consultation. I avoid him whenever practical.

NT

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tabbypurr

It seems like a major cause of death is that some people just hate to take pills.

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John Larkin

During a 2 day stay at the local body shop, I made the mistake of mentioning that I liked the food. The hospital staff immediately started looking for what might be wrong with me or with the food. When I explained that my home cooking closely resembled a failed chemistry experiment, they accepted my explanation, but still continued to look for additional maladies.

Yep. I have to double check everything. I've had botched lab tests, lost lab tests, double dosage, a potential drug overdose, wrong patient, ignoring obvious problems, billing errors, and so on. Oddly, the doctors were fairly good at not making mistakes. The errors I found mostly came from the medical staff and outside labs. For the doctors, that's rather impressive since the doctor usually has only a few minutes to review a patients medical history before an office visit or pronouncing judgment. Nurse and staff usually have zero time to do the same. The few times where I missed something important nearly killed me each time. Trust, but verify.

While Google has become my main method of finding information, it's far from ideal. The problem is too much information, most of which is garbage. The problem is not finding answers, but rather it's how to filter what it finds. With limited time and minimal medical background, I had to do this quickly, efficiently, and brutally.

First, I discarded any information by individuals or institutions with an agenda or a financial interest in selling something. That eliminated about 80% of the "reports" found on the web. For example, if a clinical drug trial was sponsored by the drug company, the conclusions are suspect. If a research grant is funded by a company with a vested interest in the outcome, it's suspect. If the research is funded by someone selling a potion, procedure, or lifestyle, it's junk. So, what's left? In general, government funded studies, university research, and medical reviews are useful. Reviews of the current state of the art are rather interesting in that they are usually done by some curious student, who is often able to find huge problems with procedures and results. The problem is that one has to quickly learn medical terminology, acronyms, and buzzwords, which is not easy.

While digging for info with Google, some odd things floated to the surface. There are thinly veiled advertisements, mostly for strange procedures, that are formatted to look like a proper report, but when inspected closely, are full of holes. Most common are footnotes and references that have nothing to do with the topic, or at worst, say quite the opposite of what they are claimed to substantiate. There are also studies where the data present one picture, but the conclusions, summary, or abstract point to something quite different. This is the result of whomever "owns" the study demanding that the conclusions follow their predefined agenda, which is all that is read by the media, while the data can say something closer to the truth, because it is only read by researchers and academics. Nice mess.

Forget about filtering by authority. If the document is written or endorsed by a leading expert on the topic, it's probably full of errors or bad logic. If it predicts the future of some aspect of medical science, it's most assuredly wrong. At this time, I know more about some aspects of my medical problems than the doctor, especially about experimental procedures, what countries offer them, and medical tourism. I find that rather worrisome, but I'm quite good at playing dumb.

"Why experts are usually wrong" "As much as 90% of medical knowledge has been gauged to be substantially or completely wrong." I don't believe it's as high as 90%, but certainly half is wrong. I've been a cardiac patient for 16 years, during which time two of the drugs I had been taken were determined to do more damage than good.

"Eternal vigilance is the price of modern medicine". (my apologies to Ben Franklin)

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Jeff Liebermann

Tried this stuff, Jim?

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I'm reluctant to try anything not prescribed. Basically I have stomach ulcers induced by radiation intended only for the neck of the Pancreas but also hit the stomach :-( ...Jim Thompson

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Jim Thompson

Oh right. Best get something more suitable on prescription from your doc, then, like you say.

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Gaviscon is magnesium hydroxide and sodium bicarbonate with corn starch added to make it float in stomach acid. Unlike Tums, which is calcium carbonate and which mixes with stomach acid, Gaviscon floats on the surface. This helps it reach the area around the upper esophageal sphincter at the top of the stomach, where stomach acid tends to the most damage.

I tried Gaviscon at the recommendation of my body mechanic and soon discovered how it works. If I have a full stomach, or am getting acid reflux problems when laying down, where the stomach acid reaches the upper sphincter muscle area Gaviscon works quite well. However, if the stomach is half empty and I'm in a generally upright position, Gaviscon does nothing.

If you eat small meals, and your radiation burn is in the lower part of the stomach, Gaviscon might work. If it's near the upper part of the stomach, I'm fairly sure it won't do anything useful. If you overeat and stuff yourself, it might work.

For me, there's also an added benefit to taking Gaviscon because it contains no calcium. Too much calcium might be a problem for me because I tend to generate calcium oxalate kidney stones.

I still have and use Gaviscon pills for situations where it works (overeating, bouncing down the road, inverted exercises, bicycle riding, gymnastics, stupidly eating dinner before going to sleep, etc).

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Fluid in the belly that needs draining is ascites, from all sorts of internal plumbing that's supposed to be water-tight instead becoming permeable and springing a trillion leaks. It's a white-hot flaming 'red' flag.

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(Oh, I see Fred's beaten me to it. Same link, ha! But I've seen it in someone terribly ill in the ICU, recently, up close and personal. It's a frightening portent--nothing to be messed with.)

Liver damage is not necessarily permanent. The liver is the only organ that can completely regenerate itself. Cut away most of it and it grows back. But when it scars (cirrhosis) the liver cells are replaced by scar tissue; that's permanent. (In fact I wonder why they don't remove big chunks from cirrhotic livers and let them regenerate, getting rid of the non-functional scar tissue? I think I asked a surgeon and he said those patients were so sick at that point that they couldn't handle it? I don't remember clearly.)

Don't drink at all for a few years. Let your liver recover, or die. No kidding. You're guts are in big trouble and you're on the edge of the big black hole man.

This is a time to eat your veggies, exercise, brush your teeth, get good sleep, wear a halo, and do all those other things you were supposed to be doing already. You can do it.

James Arthur

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dagmargoodboat

+1 FWIW. The OP is in no position to get away with anything at the moment. Time to do what you must or face the end.

NT

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tabbypurr

I know the feeling of not being a part of that sort of life when I go out (or in) with my friends who like to drink. I don't mind drinking some, but I prefer not to drink much if at all and it is a different place than where those who like to get drunk go.

So are you saying that even if you resist the urges to drink, an alcoholic is never completely happy with his choices?

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rickman

  1. It is a statistical fact that hospitals are less safe than standing in the middle of a busy highway. 2. Get your blood checked for poisons, you may find the liquids drained contain many of those poisons. 3. Your liver may be going..
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Robert Baer

but the latter lacks the medical upsides.

NT

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tabbypurr

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