OT: government study on flu shot effectiveness - continued

This is about the trade-off between protection from vaccinations versus harm done by vaccinations.

Here is an article in which authors state, and I quote:

"Although some studies were unable to find correlations between SIDS and vaccines,2224 there is some evidence that a subset of infants may be more susceptible to SIDS shortly after being vaccinated."

Anyway, you can read it yourself because one parent of a child that died shortly after being vaccinated made a donation in order to make this publication Open Access.

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joe

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Pity that you posted the link to correction to author affiliation originall y supplied, rather than the article itself.

It makes it obvious why the authors were scrabbling for something to say th at was anti-vaccine, even if they couldn't find any real support for the po sition.

"Some evidence that a subset of infants may be more susceptible to SIDS sho rtly after being vaccinated" isn't exactly a ringing condemnation, and does rather skip the point that unvaccinated kids are more susceptible to perfe ctly predictable death from the disease they should have been vaccinated ag ainst.

20 deaths per 100,000 notifiable cases of measles isn't all that many death s, particularly when today's blanket vaccination policy means that even the unvaccinated aren't likely to be exposed to measles, and the SIDS rates is 55 per 100,000 live births.

Your problem is that vaccination doesn't have any perceptible effect on the incidence of sudden infant death - it doesn't happen all that often to sta rt with, and vaccination clearly doesn't make the risk much worse, so sensi ble parents should be concentrating on getting their kids protected against measles, mumps, whooping cough, rubella and so forth, rather than listenin g to clowns like you and Jamie telling them that getting vaccinated is more dangerous than staying open to infection.

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Bill Sloman, Sydney
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Bill Sloman

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If you don't agree with the results of the paper, then do your own randomised controlled double blind study and publish that. Until then your claim that there is no relation at all is on beforehand refuted by the results. Before vaccination became commonplace, there wasn't even SIDS.

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joe

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There is no need for him to do such studies - we can just look at the numbers of people (especially kids) that /don't/ die of or be crippled by measles, smallpox, polio, etc, and compare them to the historic numbers. Or we can look at parts of the world where religious nutcases stop vaccination programs and people start dying again. We can even look at examples of groups of people like you, that take medical advice from random webpages (or even better, film stars or pop stars) rather than from doctors and scientists. The result, of course, is that their kids get seriously ill unnecessarily.

Before vaccination, kids just died. Sometimes there was an obvious named cause, but mostly it was described as a "fever". SIDS is not a disease - it's just a tag given to describe child deaths when we don't have a more accurate cause of death. So before vaccinations, SIDS killed about 50% of children before they reached their first birthday - it just wasn't /called/ SIDS.

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David Brown

My comment repeated exactly what the paper said.

Not the results you reported.

There was. But it was usually blamed on "overlaying".

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Bill Sloman, Sydney
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Bill Sloman

Well you convinced me. Got my high dose flu shot and my updated pneumonia shot. The nurse said I might have some reaction to the pneumonia shot, but I had absolutely no reaction to either shot.

I have had the flu a number of times when I was young. But have not had the flu since I started getting a flu shot every year.

Thanks for reminding me to get my shots.

Dan

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dcaster

Don't mind Bill, he's been suffering his whole life , battling "Dunning's & Kruger Syndrome"

Of course Bill would be more than happy if you thought of him having the "Imposter syndrome". Ha, cold day in hell!

Jamie

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M Philbrook

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Sure. Stuff that's easy for me has been known to be difficult for other peo ple.

I once specified an interative two-pot set-up procedure that I could do in ten minutes. When final test got stuck on it for eight hours, they called m e in and I did it in ten minutes, then recognised my Dunning and Kruger Eff ect misapprehension, and wrote a mod replacing the cheap multiplier (which needed two trimpots) with it's more expensive laser-trimmed equivalent.

Jamie does tend to illustrate the other end of Dunning & Kruger Effect.

He doesn't realise quite how dim he is. I - on the other hand - know that I am brighter than most other people. Not my friends (since I like the compa ny of clever people) and not all of my colleagues ...

I have once or twice wondered if I'm going to be caught out, but have alway s managed to work out what's actually going on in time to save my self-resp ect.

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Bill Sloman, Sydney
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Bill Sloman

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