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Read the comments to see what SCUM "liberals" are.

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Jim Thompson
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Most liberals aren't scum. They just don't understand how things work.

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John Larkin

Most liberal understand how things work well enough to know that the fond delusions of right-wingers are just delusions.

Right-wingers resent that.

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Bill Sloman, sydney
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bill.sloman

doesn't matter if you go left or right when you go far enough both are delusional

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Lasse Langwadt Christensen

I count their remarks as scum... they just may pretend they don't understand.

What they do need to understand is what the first thing us flyover-country boys do when we "dress-out" a deer... that's what we're going to do first when we conduct a scum round-up >:-} ...Jim Thompson

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Jim Thompson

Jim hasn't worked out that making "jokes" like that is what will get him put in preventative detention when Trump gets impeached.

He may not be a psychopath, but he sounds enough like one that other people might take precautions.

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Bill Sloman, Sydney
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bill.sloman

Of course, slavery was just 'how things work' at one time. Ditto torture of prisoners, debtors' prisons, municipal graft, prohibition of alcoholic beverages, religious persecutions, ethnic cleansing, droit de seigneur, open sewers...

'How things work' isn't the last word on a subject. Sometimes, you want to think beyond that.

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whit3rd

The U.S. wants to throw him in a Super Max for life because Mexico seems to have trouble holding him.

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bloggs.fredbloggs.fred

There's a good economic argument that it didn't actually work.

When I say "how things work" I mean understanding causalities, the consequences of public policy. You seem to mean "how things are."

But you also don't want to do things that makes the problem-at-hand worse. Liberals often do that, and want to do yet more of the same when things do get worse. It's almost unheard of for liberals to improve things by doing less. Modern liberalism is about emotion and control. About power and anger.

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John Larkin

To me, 'liberal' means something other than protest-movement silliness.

Eisenhower's initiative in building the interstate highways was liberal. Liberals want to take an extra step in order to achieve a goal (i.e. to make things work).

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whit3rd

It worked well enough that the South fought a war of secession in the hope of preserving it

More how things were, and how things were seen to work.

Your own understanding of causalities isn't up to letting you see that a ri sing CO2 level in the atmosphere causes global warming, so your opinions on public policy are - at best - superficial.

Cite an example.

Conservatives believe in getting the result they want by doing nothing, bec ause they like things the way they are. Liberals believe that the world can be improved, which does involve changing it.

It's mostly about collecting more money in taxes and spending it on things like health care and education which make people's lives better, and make s ociety as a whole work better. Scandinvia and Germany do a whole lot better than the US in a whole range of areas, but they do collect more of the GDP in taxes, even if they spend what they collect a whole lot more effectivel y.

The power to collect the money does come into it. Anger doesn't feature muc h in middle of the road political rhetoric in Germany and Scandinavia, even if it does show up in the output of the lunatic right that Julian Barnes l ikes to show-case.

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bill.sloman

ake things work).

Eisenhower wanted to build the Interstate Highways to facilitate speedy tra nsportation to improve our defences.

From Wiki.

The Interstate Highway System gained a champion in President Dwight D. Eise nhower, who was influenced by his experiences as a young Army officer cross ing the country in the 1919 Army Convoy on the Lincoln Highway, the first r oad across America. Eisenhower gained an appreciation of the Reichsautobahn system, the first "national" implementation of modern Germany's Autobahn n etwork, as a necessary component of a national defense system while he was serving as Supreme Commander of the Allied forces in Europe during World Wa r II.[15] He recognized that the proposed system would also provide key gro und transport routes for military supplies and troop deployments in case of an emergency or foreign invasion.

Dan

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dcaster

largely yes

no, because they don't believe government meddling is likely to improve things

Yes, and occasionally they succeed. But for the most part it's fool's failure after fool's failure, and an ever increasing cost & time consuming burden on society, a burden that prevents the very growth that solves problems.

NT

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tabbypurr

This does make them a bunch of bone-idle do-nothings, but they have a whole philosophy to justify not doing anything.

NT repeats exactly my message with slightly different wording. "Government meddling" is conservative-speak for change of any sort.

None of which "failures" you can actually identify. This is James Arthur style hand-waving, with even less content.

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Bill Sloman, Sydney
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bill.sloman

Most "Liberals" of today - those who describe themselves as such - are nothing of the sort anyway. There's very little truly liberal about them.

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Cursitor Doom

"Liberal" used to mean "in favour of free trade" and still does across a lo t of the world. Americans have taken to using it as a synonym for "left win g" which seems to reflect the fact that their political spectrum runs from what everybody else would call middle of the road to what everybody else wo uld call lunatic right wing (and they call The Tea Party").

Americans do tend to collapse the left wing end of the political spectrum - most of them can't see that communism is different from socialism, despite the fact that the socialists slung out the proto-communists and Karl Marx in 1870 for being undemocratic.

In Australia the right-wing major party - now running the country with a on e-seat majority - calls itself the Liberal Party and rules in a very long-s tanding coalition with the National or Country Party, which depends on rura l voters and serves the farming interest.

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Bill Sloman, Sydney
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bill.sloman

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lot of the world. Americans have taken to using it as a synonym for "left w ing" which seems to reflect the fact that their political spectrum runs fro m what everybody else would call middle of the road to what everybody else would call lunatic right wing (and they call The Tea Party").

- most of them can't see that communism is different from socialism, despi te the fact that the socialists slung out the proto-communists and Karl Mar x in 1870 for being undemocratic.

one-seat majority - calls itself the Liberal Party and rules in a very long

-standing coalition with the National or Country Party, which depends on ru ral voters and serves the farming interest.

classic liberal vs. social liberal it's not that complicated

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Lasse Langwadt Christensen

AKA conservative vs. leftist loon

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krw

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a lot of the world. Americans have taken to using it as a synonym for "lef t wing" which seems to reflect the fact that their political spectrum runs from what everybody else would call middle of the road to what everybody el se would call lunatic right wing (and they call The Tea Party").

rum - most of them can't see that communism is different from socialism, de spite the fact that the socialists slung out the proto-communists and Karl Marx in 1870 for being undemocratic.

a one-seat majority - calls itself the Liberal Party and rules in a very l ong-standing coalition with the National or Country Party, which depends on rural voters and serves the farming interest.

Krw does have a rather restricted world view, as you'd expect in a rightist loon.

One can be more specific about krw's cognitive deficits - he seems to have stopped thinking a few decades ago and now merely reacts - but loon is clos e enough.

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Bill Sloman, Sydney
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bill.sloman

It's intereference in matters the government knows less about than the industries it's meddling with

Lol. I see you've not followed anything much I've said for the last 20 years.

NT

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tabbypurr

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