God save us from young people such as this self-entitled, pompous, holier- than-thou specimen. He wants - inter alia - a complete ban on meat consumption within 6 years - enforced Veganism by decree!
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A real problem for first world vegans is getting any B12. Yes, you can quite reasonably get it from supplements, but that's "not natural". And "being natural" seems to be a big thing with vegans.
I say "first world", because the third world vegans probably get sufficient B12 from eating shit. Bacteria in us make B12 in the lower intestine, but due to a grossly incompetent designer, we can only absorb B12 in the upper intestine,
Vegans also have problems with calcium (unless they eat supplements). Usually they witter on about "oh there's calcium in broccoli", but they are incapable of calculating how much broccoli they would need to eat to get the RDA. (And they're incapable of eating that much either!).
You and that idiot interviewer say that, but I don't see a bit of it. And t his phony claim about having a choice insofar as what food they can eat is a total lie. You'll eat what big ag tells you to eat , or you can go starve . How dumb are you? You'll soon find out when the products you're used beco me unavailable or exorbitantly priced, very soon.
According to the USDA nutrient database, basic tofu has ~50mg/100g. Hence to get the RDA of 800mg, you would need to eat 1.6kg of tofu. Good luck with that in the long term!
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There are many types of tofu with 150-300mg/100g, but the footnote says "Manufacturers use either magnesium chloride (nigari), calcium sulfate, or both in varying quantities to precipitate the protein. Calcium and magnesium contents will vary accordingly."
Now that is a reasonable way to get Ca, but it requires, ahem, "industrial chemical" supplements - as I noted.
They are, and despite looking good the produce was of lousy quality when I went. But yes it's more variety.
I might keep chickens for eggs but on almost all properties here it's not permitted.
Fishing hasn't a hope of being economically viable even for a minimum wager.
Well I'm not rabid and don't have any problem with importing food. What you state is actually a fallacy but it's moot as the idea that we grow everything we eat here is not really worth pursuing.
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My Costco multivitamin pills contain 50mcg (micrograms) of B12. Skimming a few online articles show the B12 RDA at 2.4mcg. The recommended dietary allowance (RDA) for adults is 2.4 micrograms (mcg) a day.
800mg (milligrams) per day is far to much.
Incidentally, I also have a bottle of B12 NatureMade timed release B12 at 1000mcg per pill, which the label shows a daily dose is 16,667% of the RDA. If a little is good for you, a massive overdose must be better.
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Strange. It worked for me in three different browsers.
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or, better, search for USDA nutrient database and then lookup "Tofu, salted and fermented (fuyu)"
Just so; we agree.
As I wrote, but Clive Arthur snipped...
A real problem for first world vegans is getting any B12. Yes, you can quite reasonably get it from supplements, but that's "not natural". And "being natural" seems to be a big thing with vegans.
That's the RDA for *calcium*, not B12. Calcium is also a problem for those that don't eat dairy and drink soft water.
If someone is suffering pernicious anaemia (the precursor to irreversible nerve/brain damage caused by B12 deficiency), then such massive amounts of B12 are indeed prescribed and sometimes injected. So 1mg isn't unreasonable, in /those/ conditions.
Pernicious anaemia can be staved off by high folate intakes, but that doesn't stop the irreversible CNS. Vegans have a high folate intake, so they miss the "warning signs" of (reversible) pernicious anaemia, and move straight to irreversible brain damage.
The other relevant fact about B12 is that a "fully loaded" liver can contain more than a /decade/ supply of B12. Hence any statements such as "I went vegan 5 years ago and haven't suffered any problems" should be taken with a pinch of salt (or preferably B12).
I've also seen 10 years; there is apparently either a lot of variability or everybody naturally consumes some B12 from various sources, or some people need less.
B12 is only made by bacteria. Our only natural sources are meat/fish/dairy and shit.
I sometimes wonder if various animals are copraphagous for that reason, but I've no idea whether there is any validity to the concept.
Just so. There's something called "intrinsic factor" involved in absorption, but it doesn't seem to be too well understood.
Problems are particularly apparent in women over 50.
RDA is not a description of a level above which lies overdose. It is merely one view on what constitutes adequate for most people. Only at the bottom end of the supplement market do tabs include 100% RDA of many things.
They are mostly cheap here in California. If you get out of a big city and go a bit inland, into the central valley, produce is absurdly cheap at roadside stands. The stuff is fresh out of the fields and superb. Of course stuff costs more in a big city.
If BG leaves the european union, do you think the EU will blockade by air and sea and starve the brits to death?
You could always smuggle food in from Canada by submarine.
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John Larkin Highland Technology, Inc trk
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No, but there must, by law, be checking of goods that cross the boundary. The question is how significant those checks will be. The French and Dutch think they will be *very* significant.
The prominent brexiteers have, belatedly, stated that they didn't realise how much food came across the channel (Dunning-Kruger syndrome with a vengence).
The UK government's plans include: - sending extra police to N Ireland and Kent (why?) - deploying 3500 troops (to do just what?) - preventing kids from going to/from school in Kent - turning a major motorway and an airfield into a car park for 10k(!) lorries (plan was tested with 89(!) lorries, snort) - flying in scarce medicines - there's vague ideas about short-lived radioisotopes for cancer diagnosis and treatment (we will leave Euratom, which legally makes us similar to N Korea!) - no concept of the water short-life purification chemicals (ozone?) that are produced in Europe FFI, search for "operation yellowhammer" and "operation brock", and weep for us.
Oh yes, the government gave a contract (now cancelled) to a company, Seaborne Freight, for extra cross-channel ferry capacity. The company has *zero* ships, and zero experience of shipping and logistics. And the ports they planned to use are too small.
If French and Dutch farmers want to abandon their own markets, lots of other people will feed the Brits. The US has embarassing crop surpluses. You can survive on California and Australian wine too.
There must be something unique about the climate of Europe that makes it possible to manufacture ozone. I think they have most of the world supply of oxygen.
Hysteria is ever popular. And amusing.
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John Larkin Highland Technology, Inc trk
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TBH I'm surprised and bemused abut the water purification. It is, apparently, the thing that convinced a prominent and vocal Brexiteer, Michael Gove, that a hard brexit would be intolerable. Gove is an especially slimy politician who will say whatever he thinks will be popular with his audience. Hence this unpopular statement can't be ignored.
None of the rest of the points are surprising, except to the ignorant politicians that live in the Westminster bubble rather than on planet earth.
The politicians have been in full Jean-Luc Picard mode, thinking that if they say "Make it so" then it will happen. They have been far too careful to avoid hysteria, and have believed their own propaganda rather than listening to people that do know what they are talking about.
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