OT, damned cold OT

Oh dear, 50 posts from people who can't tell the difference between weather and climate, approaching from a southerly direction

martin

Well, then maybe those who arrogate to control the whole climate should practice on controlling the weather!

Thanks, Rich

m

They stole our winter. We're supposed to have winter, but the temperatures are way above zero, no snow. We currently have wheather as we'd have it in march & April.

- I haven't been skiiing yet in this winter.

Rene

And here in "Sunny California" we had a long hard freeze a month ago. Pipes burst everywhere, houses flooded, a retirement home in town evacuated where some people still haven't been able to come back because the water damage was so great. I was lucky, only one irrigation circuit busted up but that one was a bear to fix.

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Regards, Joerg

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I've not bothered to examine Mr. Larkin's prior posts, but would bet he has lots of hillbilly sarcasms about warm weather: "Ooooh ... proves global warning dudn't it?"

Careful controlled wholesale measurements are more relevant than yesterday's 15-second weather soundbite. Is that hard to understand, John?

And, while of course it would be absurd to claim that global warming "caused" this week's ice storm, increases in available energy and altered wind and current patterns can have counterintuitive effects.

BTW, the rosy predictions of lush rainforests in the tropics and a rich breadbasket in near-Arctic are not borne out by predictive models. And even optimistic scenarios imply profound political and economic disruptions during coming generations that will far outweigh what clowns like Larkin are trying to "save" ... which is what exactly? ... the American dream of driving an SUV to Starbucks?

But keep your clever comments coming, John. Have you applied for the National Science Advisor job yet?

Sam

Excuse me? Mr. Larkin is from cajun land. **I** am the hillbilly ;-)

Only cowards from Queensland hide behind yahoo.

I was going to offer, "May your balls freeze off", but I doubt that you have any.

PLONK!

...Jim Thompson

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I love to cook with wine.      Sometimes I even put it in the food.

The wind-chill in Ithaca, NY (where The Brat goes to school) was -12F last night. Please take it back!

Here in San Francisco, I'll probably wear a tee shirt all day today.

John

Well, seems to me like every hot spell lately has been blamed on GW, touche. I only hope it snows in Hollywood on Oscar day.

That's why tha alarmists have switched to calling it "climate change", so they can hedge their bets. We used to call it "weather."

What's interesting is that all the gw/cc models I've seen predict a uniformly bad set of consequences... flooding, famine, disease, extinctions, storms, drought, plagues of locusts. Wouldn't you think that climate change would have about as many good effects as bad? Actually, no, because climate change is posited to be man-made, and the current fad is to assume that all human effects are unnatural hence evil.

A headline is a terrible thing to waste.

No, no, it's your turn.

I'm just a circuit designer, so wouldn't qualify. The pay is better, anyhow.

John

Am not! I was raised in New Orleans, which makes me a "yat." [1] I did marry a cajun once, though.

But maybe Singburi Sam is his real name?

I wonder if he knows anything about electronics.

Yet another climate mystery.

John

[1] from the univeral Aloha-like ritual greeting "where y'at?", to which one responds "where y'at?"

Foxworthy has a whole act based on "y'at" and other such southern contractions, like, "y'eat yet?"

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I love to cook with wine.      Sometimes I even put it in the food.

Does your VW Rabbit have a rag top? That would be really cool. When I drove to the airport at 6:00am early January there was a guy zooming by in a T-shirt, wearing a baseball cap, sitting in an open cockpit MG Sports. It was around 35F (2C for European readers).

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No, I'm getting too grownup for that sort of stuff. Bu my old MG Midget was a blast. You could drive around in the rain, in reasonable comfort, as long as you didn't go below about 30 MPH. And the sound was awesome, blasting north through the Waldo Tunnel, and it was wonderful negotiating Devil's Slide at unsafe speeds.

Imagine oversteering off that! We're not big on guard rails here in California.

John

A friend of mine is building a Cobra, pretty much from scratch. Exhausts on the sides and all that. I am quite certain he'll take it through the Waldo tunnel just to listen to the roar.

Cool. Those are the real scenic routes. Now imagine zipping along there in a Cobra that can go from zero to 60mph in three point something seconds. But he said that while it's open cockpit (there simply is no way to put anything on) you still have to step out of the car at times because its aluminum body gets too hot for comfort.

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Ah, the old toes-alongside-the-block thing.

John

That's because the "predictive models" that they're using now are designed to produce the results they want.

Thanks, Rich

Hey, I can do that in Spice!

John

My Dad--a serious scientist--note acidly that research has become that process whereby you collect facts that support your original hypothesis.

As far as predictive models, a soaking-wet winter was predicted for California based on El Nino--possibly the most studied and best understood phenomenon in this field, and with the most extensive real- time real-world data input on Earth. California, however, is _dry_.

And 2005, was a record-setting hurricane season heralded as proof of GW and a harbinger of worse to come. 2006, though, came in way under average. Strangely, no one seems excited about that, about the possibility that we might all live after all.

IOW, the models can't see six months into the future, yet are being relied on to forecast 50-100 years in the future.

So, while I'm not going to deny global warming, it seems the models are shit. (quite possibly not their fault--sensitive dependence on initial conditions and all that.)

Best, James Arthur

And they haven't looked at the fact that Mars has warmed up measurably within the past Martian year.

They refuse to accept the fact that the Solar Constant, isn't.

Yeah, Earth is getting warmer, just like it's been doing cyclically for billions of years.

It's just human angst, guilt, and hubris that drives those fanatics.

Thanks! Rich

Yeah, like journalism.

John