OT: Covid-19 isn't the only problem that makes black Americans die younger than white Americans.

From today's Proceedings of the (US) National Academy of Science.

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The paper comes from a single author at the University of Minnesota.

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That's easily fixed by making white people die younger.

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Fred Bloggs

But in the US white people do die younger than in most developed countries...

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Oddly enough these same countries, where people live longer than the US, pretty much all have some sort of universal health care - Nah, there can't be a connection!

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John Robertson

Where is anything broken out by race in those ridiculous links?

There are a bunch of U.S. statistics that make the country look bad UNTIL you correct for the troublesome demographics- after which the country shines. The troublesome demographics don't have to be purely racial, they're mostly based on poverty.

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Fred Bloggs

Hey SL0W MAN,

PNAS is a far-left organization not known for its impartiality. If you REAL LY want to know what is killing black males, just go to the CDC who is mand ated to compile these statistics:

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It is plain to see that the LEADING cause of death for black males younger than 45 years is HOMICIDE, and the homicides are being committed by OTHER b lack males (9 to 1). The next leading cause is UNINTENTIONAL injuries.

This article doesn't even mention homicides. The higher death rates from th e Chinese virus by race are due entirely to the fact that these races DON'T practice simple preventative measures such as social distancing and not go ing to large gatherings which can trigger a superspreader event. Minority g roups also have occupations that ignore these guidelines, such as meat proc essing plants.

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Lower educational levels inevitably mean that these groups are less likely to listen to and accept health safety guidelines. This is well-known for br oadly communicated unhealthy activities such as smoking.

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Flyguy

What do you propose to do about it?

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John S

The best options are:

  1. Make their communities secure to live in (reducing homicides would have a material impact on Black lifespans).
  2. Improve the schools in these communities (not hard to do because they are SO terrible).
  3. Continue common-sense policies instituted by Pres. Trump such as Opportunity Zones and selective tariffs.
  4. Promote better role models for Blacks (arrest the ones they see daily: drug pushers).
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    My favorite is Charles Payne (he has his own show on Fox Business). Payne grew up in Harlem in a single-parent (mother) home. George Washington Carver was also a boyhood here of mine.
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"Asians" have the highest life expectancy of any group in the USA,

86.3, which is interestingly better than Japan (84.5) or Hong Kong (84.7) or indeed any of the countries in the link above. In California, Asian LE is 87.7.

"Hispanics" are second highest.

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This means that being a racial minority in the US is not, by itself, connected to shorter lifespans.

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Making drug-dealing a less profitable career choice in those communities wo uld be a long step towards this.

are SO terrible).

But the US system of school districts means that the extra money to pay for the better education would have come out of that community. It's a terribl e way to fund primary and secondary education, and goes back to the fact th at the founding tax evaders had formed their ideas about what was economica lly feasible before the agricultural revolution - one of the early presiden ts cited universal education as one of the extravagances that a democratic society might go in for, but couldn't afford.

tunity Zones and selective tariffs.

Common sense and President Trump aren't usually coupled in the same sentenc e. Flyguy isn't exactly the go-to-person for identifying common-sense.

drug pushers).

That does dependent on making drug-deal less profitable in poor communities . A "harm reduction" approach can help, but it hasn't eliminated drug-deali ng in the Netherlands, though it has made it a lot less profitable. Lenny B ruce claimed that the war on drugs was a conspiracy between the Mafia and t he FBI to let the Mafia collect a big mark-up on the drugs they sold, and t he religious right has been sucked into the conspiracy.

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Being black in the UK frequently means being poor and lower class, and the UK is truly rotten to it's lower classes.

Trust Flyguy to take Fox News seriously.

on Carver was also a boyhood here of mine.

Exceptional people can transcend a lot of disadvantages. Society needs to l et the merely competent do well, and the US is definitely failing at that.

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TIL you correct for the troublesome demographics- after which the country s hines. The troublesome demographics don't have to be purely racial, they're mostly based on poverty.

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Being poor is. The US lacks universal health care, and it's social security system is cheap and nasty. Health gradients against wealth and social clas s are steeper than they are in more cilivised countries, and even the peopl e at the top of the heap don't live as long as their equivalents in better run countries.

The US has remarkably high income inequality for an advanced industrial cou ntry, and this correlates strongly with bad outcomes.

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compares the US with other advanced industrial countries, and the individua l states of the US on the same basis. It's interesting and depressing.

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False. Nonsense, really. Science accepts the convention of right-handed coordinates, but is not 'right' or 'left' in any sense. PNAS is known, but not described in any such terms.

Oh, political toadies to the current administration have control of your perception of reality? Look at the power structure, and readjust your BS filters, If you care about 'to know' issues.

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whit3rd

The inner-city I'm familiar with (Providence, RI) about 35% Hispanic and

20% black is one of the most commercial-oriented environments I've ever seen. There are shops and bodegas and food trucks and restaurants and bars and nightclubs and markets and stuff squeezed in everywhere there's some free space. If there's no room people set up shop on the street selling clothes and DVDs and makeup and such on Sundays for a while until the law gets word someone's street-vending without a license and the stuff gets pulled back inside.

Yeah you can get drugs and guns there, along with just about everything else under the sun. Crime is in steady decline anyway.

Providence RI, 45% white, murder rate:

Tulsa OK, 65% white, murder rate:

Whether "their communities" are secure or not depends entirely on where you are.

Public schools in West Virginia and Kentucky ain't much to write home about, either.

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would be a long step towards this.

You may not be aware, being SO FAR AWAY, but these troubled communities are actually making law enforcement MORE DIFFICULT.

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or the better education would have come out of that community. It's a terri ble way to fund primary and secondary education, and goes back to the fact that the founding tax evaders had formed their ideas about what was economi cally feasible before the agricultural revolution - one of the early presid ents cited universal education as one of the extravagances that a democrati c society might go in for, but couldn't afford.

You may not be aware, being SO FAR AWAY, but schools in the US are funded b y a combination of local, state, and federal funding.

ortunity Zones and selective tariffs.

nce. Flyguy isn't exactly the go-to-person for identifying common-sense.

You may not be aware, being SO FAR AWAY, but Pres. Trump exhibits A LOT of common sense, Opportunity Zones being one of them: look it up.

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es. A "harm reduction" approach can help, but it hasn't eliminated drug-dea ling in the Netherlands, though it has made it a lot less profitable. Lenny Bruce claimed that the war on drugs was a conspiracy between the Mafia and the FBI to let the Mafia collect a big mark-up on the drugs they sold, and the religious right has been sucked into the conspiracy.

"That does dependent" - I thought you were a PHD. Tch, Tch, such POOR sente nce structure! No, promoting better role models is TOTALLY DIFFERENT from a rresting crooks. BTW, Lenny Bruce was a drug addict who DIED from a drug ov erdose - do your RESEARCH!

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I am talking about the US.

You ought to, too. Payne is a Black success story that is WELL WORTH emulat ing.

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let the merely competent do well, and the US is definitely failing at that .

Hey SL0W MAN, Carver was successful during the MOST RACIAL DISCRIMINATION p eriod of US history. He was my childhood hero and should be YOURS. You prob ably didn't even know of him before now.

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for the better education would have come out of that community. It's a ter rible way to fund primary and secondary education, and goes back to the fac t that the founding tax evaders had formed their ideas about what was econo mically feasible before the agricultural revolution - one of the early pres idents cited universal education as one of the extravagances that a democra tic society might go in for, but couldn't afford.

by a combination of local, state, and federal funding.

But the control - and most of the funding - is local. Dubbya did try to inj ect some federal funding with his "no child left behind" initiative, but he got distracted from that by 9/11 and invading Irak.

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shows a wide range of spending per pupil - from Utah at $6,953 to New York at $22,366. Getting down to the school district level is difficult. I once found a breakdown for Arizona, where the average is $7,613, and most of the m seemed to be at the rock-bottom $7,000 per year level, with a few rich di stricts pushing up the average by spending quite a bit more.

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You don't have to get up close and personal with Trump to notice that he li es a lot. It does take a working brain to notice this, and you don't seem t o have one.

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s. A "harm reduction" approach can help, but it hasn't eliminated drug-deal ing in the Netherlands, though it has made it a lot less profitable. Lenny Bruce claimed that the war on drugs was a conspiracy between the Mafia and the FBI to let the Mafia collect a big mark-up on the drugs they sold, and the religious right has been sucked into the conspiracy.

FERENT from arresting crooks. BTW, Lenny Bruce was a drug addict who DIED f rom a drug overdose - do your RESEARCH!

I'm well aware of who Lenny Bruce was. "Harm reduction" makes having a drug habit a lot less dangerous to your health. My comment wasn't about arresti ng crooks - it was about making their activities less profitable. If they d on't make as much money out of the activity, they don't do as much of it, a nd there aren't as many around to be bad role models or get arrested. This is all a bit too indirect for you, which is one of the reasons why your opi nions on the subject are worthless.

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the UK is truly rotten to it's lower classes.

But the Guardian article to which you posted the link wasn't.

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Most Australians know who Rupert Murdoch is, and are very glad that he's no w a US citizen. His newspapers in Australia are sources of right-wing misin formation - not as rabid as Fox News, but right-wing Amercians are more rab id than their Australian counter-parts.

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"In 1999, Payne settled with the SEC over a complaint alleging that on at l east eight occasions, Wall Street Strategies recommended that its clients p urchase members stock through recorded messages on its telephonic stock rec ommendation service. The complaint also alleged that Payne failed to disclo se that he received payments from members to promote members stock. Without admitting or denying the alleged violations, Payne consented to the entry of a permanent injunction against violations of Section 17(b) of the Securi ties Act of 1933. In addition, Payne agreed to pay a civil penalty of $25,0

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You might pick your heroes a little more carefully.

She wasn't great at instilling good business ethics.

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period of US history. He was my childhood hero and should be YOURS. You pr obably didn't even know of him before now.

He certainly came up in the books I read as a kid. Back then America was tr ying to persuade the world that it wasn't universally rotten to coloured pe ople and George Washington Carver was touted as a success story about someb ody who happened to be black. There was less emphasis on the prejudice that he'd had to deal with. Both my parents had degrees in chemistry and weren 't wildly interested in agriculture so he wasn't somebody I saw as role mod el. At that time in Australia it was well known that it was very difficult to get farmers to pay any attention to science of any sort. The Commonweal th Scientific and Industrial Research Organisation spent an appreciable amo unt of money on sociologists to work out how best to get through to farmers , and the strategy that worked was to find some farmer who was more interes ted in science than most, and work on making his farm pay off better than t hose of his neighbours. Once he started making more money than they did, th e neighbours got much more interested.

A girl who was a good friend of my wife in her boarding school in Tasmania ended up marrying a guy from my home town in Norther Tasmania, and they to ok over the family farm (which dates back to 1826). I'd never met him, but one of his brothers had been a chemistry technician at the local titanium d ioxide processing plant and I'd met him when I had my summer job there when I was an undergraduate. The third brother was more interested in physics a nd there's a cosmic ray observatory in Tasmania that is named after him.

Some farmers are quite interested in science. Their farm started off gazing sheep back in 1826. They've now diversified, and grow some excellent pinot noir grapes. We buy a couple of case of their wine a year. Growing opium p oppies (strictly for the medical market) didn't work out as well.

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Public school quality is pretty much proportional to local funding, the right-wing agenda has been to cut funding for education for 40 years. Which makes the about-face on sending kids back to school and the "importance of education" of late all the more sadly amusing yet predictable, just self-serving behavior all the time. What wouldn't a wingnut decide was "important" today if there's something in it for him?

In any case, de-funding the leftist university system makes a good talking-point to rubes who think anyplace but like Yale, Stanford, and Johns Hopkins are getting hundreds of millions of Fed dollars, the big cuts have already been made everywhere else by everyone else in the past

40 years who used the same talking-point.
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My, my, SL0W MAN - it's NOT the criminals making things more difficult, it' s the POLITICIANS.

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nject some federal funding with his "no child left behind" initiative, but he got distracted from that by 9/11 and invading Irak.

Again, you demonstrate your ignorance - the funding agencies set the rules for the groups receiving the funding, not vice-versa.

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k at $22,366. Getting down to the school district level is difficult. I onc e found a breakdown for Arizona, where the average is $7,613, and most of t hem seemed to be at the rock-bottom $7,000 per year level, with a few rich districts pushing up the average by spending quite a bit more.

LOL! The amount spent DOES NOT correspond to quality!! NY is higher because salaries are so much higher.

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ies. A "harm reduction" approach can help, but it hasn't eliminated drug-de aling in the Netherlands, though it has made it a lot less profitable. Lenn y Bruce claimed that the war on drugs was a conspiracy between the Mafia an d the FBI to let the Mafia collect a big mark-up on the drugs they sold, an d the religious right has been sucked into the conspiracy.

When you criticize others about spelling, YOUR spelling better be impeccabl e, Dolt. And, it ISN'T! No, promoting better role models is TOTALLY DIFFERENT from arresting crook s. BTW, Lenny Bruce was a drug addict who DIED from a drug overdose - do yo ur RESEARCH!

ug habit a lot less dangerous to your health. My comment wasn't about arres ting crooks - it was about making their activities less profitable. If they don't make as much money out of the activity, they don't do as much of it, and there aren't as many around to be bad role models or get arrested. Thi s is all a bit too indirect for you, which is one of the reasons why your o pinions on the subject are worthless.

You don't seem to be - you quoted him describing a most improbable conspira cy. Money wasn't Bruce's problem - drug abuse was, and it killed him. You c ould hand out illegal drugs to everyone who requests them for free, but tha t would send drug addiction skyrocketing.

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It described people from the US and other parts of the world - so what?

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least eight occasions, Wall Street Strategies recommended that its clients purchase members stock through recorded messages on its telephonic stock r ecommendation service. The complaint also alleged that Payne failed to disc lose that he received payments from members to promote members stock. Witho ut admitting or denying the alleged violations, Payne consented to the entr y of a permanent injunction against violations of Section 17(b) of the Secu rities Act of 1933. In addition, Payne agreed to pay a civil penalty of $25 ,000.["

The key words are "Without admitting or denying the alleged violations." Pa ying a $25k penalty is peanuts compared to going to trial. This is how the government intimidates the citizens who don't have the deep pockets the gov ernment has. You should be OUTRAGED by this.

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On the contrary, she WAS! Dolts like you don't know what you are talking ab out.

s to let the merely competent do well, and the US is definitely failing at that.

ON period of US history. He was my childhood hero and should be YOURS. You probably didn't even know of him before now.

trying to persuade the world that it wasn't universally rotten to coloured people and George Washington Carver was touted as a success story about som ebody who happened to be black. There was less emphasis on the prejudice th at he'd had to deal with. Both my parents had degrees in chemistry and wer en't wildly interested in agriculture so he wasn't somebody I saw as role m odel. At that time in Australia it was well known that it was very difficu lt to get farmers to pay any attention to science of any sort. The Commonwe alth Scientific and Industrial Research Organisation spent an appreciable a mount of money on sociologists to work out how best to get through to farme rs, and the strategy that worked was to find some farmer who was more inter ested in science than most, and work on making his farm pay off better than those of his neighbours. Once he started making more money than they did, the neighbours got much more interested.

a ended up marrying a guy from my home town in Norther Tasmania, and they took over the family farm (which dates back to 1826). I'd never met him, bu t one of his brothers had been a chemistry technician at the local titanium dioxide processing plant and I'd met him when I had my summer job there wh en I was an undergraduate. The third brother was more interested in physics and there's a cosmic ray observatory in Tasmania that is named after him.

ng sheep back in 1826. They've now diversified, and grow some excellent pin ot noir grapes. We buy a couple of case of their wine a year. Growing opium poppies (strictly for the medical market) didn't work out as well.

Translation: George Washington Carver is an exceptional role model.

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I'm sure that New York State has quite a few school districts that spend th e bare minimum, and a few that spend huge amounts. New York State includes more than Manhattan Island.

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ble, Dolt. And, it ISN'T!

Nobody's is.

ks. BTW, Lenny Bruce was a drug addict who DIED from a drug overdose - do y our RESEARCH!

drug habit a lot less dangerous to your health. My comment wasn't about arr esting crooks - it was about making their activities less profitable. If th ey don't make as much money out of the activity, they don't do as much of i t, and there aren't as many around to be bad role models or get arrested. T his is all a bit too indirect for you, which is one of the reasons why your opinions on the subject are worthless.

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It was a joke. Like most jokes, it was based on a useful idea.

ld hand out illegal drugs to everyone who requests them for free, but that would send drug addiction skyrocketing.

That's pretty much what happens in the Netherlands, and it doesn't. The pe ople who hand out the drugs do make an effort to move people to lower doses and get most of them clean eventually, Without the economic stimulus to c reate new addicts to be new customers, the drug dealers don't hand out free (or cheap) samples) to people who might become addicts.

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Make up your mind.

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Paying a $25k penalty is peanuts compared to going to trial. This is how th e government intimidates the citizens who don't have the deep pockets the g overnment has. You should be OUTRAGED by this.

I am. He should have gone to jail. The US attitude to white collar crime is n't attractive.

Your idea of being "careful" seems to amount to having noticed him in the f ar-right media.

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Paying a civil penalty of $25,000 isn't evidence of competent early instruc tion in business ethics.

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TION period of US history. He was my childhood hero and should be YOURS. Yo u probably didn't even know of him before now.

s trying to persuade the world that it wasn't universally rotten to coloure d people and George Washington Carver was touted as a success story about s omebody who happened to be black. There was less emphasis on the prejudice that he'd had to deal with. Both my parents had degrees in chemistry and we ren't wildly interested in agriculture so he wasn't somebody I saw as role model. At that time in Australia it was well known that it was very difficu lt to get farmers to pay any attention to science of any sort. The Commonwe alth Scientific and Industrial Research Organisation spent an appreciable a mount of money on sociologists to work out how best to get through to farme rs, and the strategy that worked was to find some farmer who was more inter ested in science than most, and work on making his farm pay off better than those of his neighbours. Once he started making more money than they did, the neighbours got much more interested.

nia ended up marrying a guy from my home town in Norther Tasmania, and they took over the family farm (which dates back to 1826). I'd never met him, b ut one of his brothers had been a chemistry technician at the local titaniu m dioxide processing plant and I'd met him when I had my summer job there w hen I was an undergraduate. The third brother was more interested in physic s and there's a cosmic ray observatory in Tasmania that is named after him.

zing sheep back in 1826. They've now diversified, and grow some excellent p inot noir grapes. We buy a couple of case of their wine a year. Growing opi um poppies (strictly for the medical market) didn't work out as well.

Flyguy doesn't do English comprehension. George Washington Carver wasn't an y kind of role model for me. He did know what he was talking about, which F lyguy can't manage, so he isn't a model that Flyguy has managed to emulate in any area where it matters.

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funded by a combination of local, state, and federal funding.

to inject some federal funding with his "no child left behind" initiative, but he got distracted from that by 9/11 and invading Irak.

les for the groups receiving the funding, not vice-versa.

York at $22,366. Getting down to the school district level is difficult. I once found a breakdown for Arizona, where the average is $7,613, and most of them seemed to be at the rock-bottom $7,000 per year level, with a few r ich districts pushing up the average by spending quite a bit more.

the bare minimum, and a few that spend huge amounts. New York State include s more than Manhattan Island.

If you were SO DAMN SURE, you would POST your references, but you DON'T bec ause you DON'T KNOW SHIT!

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LOT of common sense, Opportunity Zones being one of them: look it up.

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unities. A "harm reduction" approach can help, but it hasn't eliminated dru g-dealing in the Netherlands, though it has made it a lot less profitable. Lenny Bruce claimed that the war on drugs was a conspiracy between the Mafi a and the FBI to let the Mafia collect a big mark-up on the drugs they sold , and the religious right has been sucked into the conspiracy.

cable, Dolt. And, it ISN'T!

ooks. BTW, Lenny Bruce was a drug addict who DIED from a drug overdose - do your RESEARCH!

a drug habit a lot less dangerous to your health. My comment wasn't about a rresting crooks - it was about making their activities less profitable. If they don't make as much money out of the activity, they don't do as much of it, and there aren't as many around to be bad role models or get arrested. This is all a bit too indirect for you, which is one of the reasons why yo ur opinions on the subject are worthless.

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e's now a US citizen. His newspapers in Australia are sources of right-wing misinformation - not as rabid as Fox News, but right-wing Amercians are mo re rabid than their Australian counter-parts.

n at least eight occasions, Wall Street Strategies recommended that its cli ents purchase members stock through recorded messages on its telephonic sto ck recommendation service. The complaint also alleged that Payne failed to disclose that he received payments from members to promote members stock. W ithout admitting or denying the alleged violations, Payne consented to the entry of a permanent injunction against violations of Section 17(b) of the Securities Act of 1933. In addition, Payne agreed to pay a civil penalty of $25,000.["

" Paying a $25k penalty is peanuts compared to going to trial. This is how the government intimidates the citizens who don't have the deep pockets the government has. You should be OUTRAGED by this.

isn't attractive.

Well, I didn't know you were a sworn member of the SEC's enforcement staff. The truth is that this was a situation where they HAD NO CASE and made a token settlement to SAVE FACE! Your inability to recognize that demonstrate s your SUPREME IGNORANCE!!!

far-right media.

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uction in business ethics.

needs to let the merely competent do well, and the US is definitely failing at that.

NATION period of US history. He was my childhood hero and should be YOURS. You probably didn't even know of him before now.

was trying to persuade the world that it wasn't universally rotten to colou red people and George Washington Carver was touted as a success story about somebody who happened to be black. There was less emphasis on the prejudic e that he'd had to deal with. Both my parents had degrees in chemistry and weren't wildly interested in agriculture so he wasn't somebody I saw as rol e model. At that time in Australia it was well known that it was very diffi cult to get farmers to pay any attention to science of any sort. The Common wealth Scientific and Industrial Research Organisation spent an appreciable amount of money on sociologists to work out how best to get through to far mers, and the strategy that worked was to find some farmer who was more int erested in science than most, and work on making his farm pay off better th an those of his neighbours. Once he started making more money than they did , the neighbours got much more interested.

mania ended up marrying a guy from my home town in Norther Tasmania, and th ey took over the family farm (which dates back to 1826). I'd never met him, but one of his brothers had been a chemistry technician at the local titan ium dioxide processing plant and I'd met him when I had my summer job there when I was an undergraduate. The third brother was more interested in phys ics and there's a cosmic ray observatory in Tasmania that is named after hi m.

gazing sheep back in 1826. They've now diversified, and grow some excellent pinot noir grapes. We buy a couple of case of their wine a year. Growing o pium poppies (strictly for the medical market) didn't work out as well.

any kind of role model for me. He did know what he was talking about, which Flyguy can't manage, so he isn't a model that Flyguy has managed to emulat e in any area where it matters.

Apparently, NOBODY was a role-model to you.

What we have out of SL0W MAN is a series of BULLSHIT responses that detract s from my original post on how to improve the lives of Blacks in the USA. H e has ZERO ideas to present, just childish rants about absolutely NOTHING!

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t any kind of role model for me. He did know what he was talking about, whi ch Flyguy can't manage, so he isn't a model that Flyguy has managed to emul ate in any area where it matters.

I can't remember ever sitting down and wondering what somebody else would h ave done in my situation - it doesn't strike me as something worth doing.

cts from my original post on how to improve the lives of Blacks in the USA. He has ZERO ideas to present, just childish rants about absolutely NOTHING !

You didn't start this thread - I did. There was nothing original in your co ntribution when you did decide to horn in, and the stupid right-wing ideas that you posted don't seem to have been all that effective in improving the lot of coloured people in the US - which was roughly what the PNAS paper I linked to was all about.

You don't seem to have the capacity to realise that you aren't saying anyth ing useful, and get remarkably upset when this pointed out. If I keep on ir ritating you for long enough you may blow an artery, which is about the onl y thing that is likely to change your behaviour. Rational argument is clear ly ineffective. And don't bother claiming that you could recognise rational argument - you've failed to do so far too often for that to be remotely pl ausible.

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