OT: Climate Change Bullshit

Don't forget the phytoplankton living in shallow waters as well as cold water. These create a huge amount of biomass, which can then be consumed by fish of various sizes.

Only in warm very deep oceans there are a few hundred meters of warm water on top and below it a layer of cold water. There is a sharp thermocline between these layers and separate circulations in these layers. For this reason nutrients from the bottom doesn't reach the surface, in which there would be plenty of light and hence no phytoplankton and hence no fish.

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But computer simulations aren't a major part of the evidence for the reality of anthropogenic global warming, and making them better wouldn't make the case any more conclusive.

Of course they are. Finding new questions to ask is the difficult bit. It's an important area, and lots of people have been looking for questions to ask for quite a while now. It would take real ingenuity to find something new.

Not something new to John Larkin, but the people who assess research proposals and rank them are rather better informed than his is, though perhaps not as well-informed as he imagines himself to be.

Uncertainty isn't an easily measured parameter.

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Bill Sloman, Sydney
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bill.sloman

Michael Mann.

But its not a one man band, its not even a centrally organised conspiracy.

Its a very *convenient* lie - a bandwagon that has been most profitable to ride upon for those that have.

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The Natural Philosopher

reer as a genetic Scientist. I hear his speeches on the ethical questions w e must solve on DNA modification in the early '70s at U of M which leads me to think he is not a political authority but rather a Scientist who wants to raise awareness to ethical questions.

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tors is a dangerously complacent attitude.

d age, when they ask you, why didn't you do something to reduce this risk i nstead of arguing it was wrong.

The global temperature has gone up about 1 degree Celcius in the last centu ry.

The US has contributed about a third of CO2 emissions that have caused this .

If there are 330 million Americans, John Larkin has presumably contributed about one nanokelvin. He wasn't around for the whole century, but most of the emissions post-date his birth date, and there were fewer Americans arou nd when he first started driving a car and controlling the temperature insi de his house.

Not a plausible claim.

Not a remotely plausible claim.

Probably not. John Larkin's grasp of what the start of a new ice age would look like is inadequate, verging on non-existent.

As is his grasp of comic effect.

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Bill Sloman, Sydney
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bill.sloman

Oh the peak tops are snow covered I think. Yoiu needed to go higher. I cant function much abobve 5000 feet these days..

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The Natural Philosopher

You need days and weeks below zero to freeze a river.

We havent had that since 1963.

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projections combined into implausible chains of inference, proceeded to  
contemplate a rollback of the industrial age. 

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The Natural Philosopher

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Not a chance. Arrhenius - in 1896 - would be a chronologically plausible c andidate, but he was a justly famous scientist, not a half-baked science fi ction author.

Michael Mann's crime was to come up with the right answer to a question whi ch didn't happen to suite the climate change denial lobby.

There are now about a dozen independent studies that have confirmed that Mi chael Mann got it pretty much right, but the climate change denial lobby st ill doesn't like the result, no matter how many time sit has been independe ntly replicated.

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Only the Natural Philosopher would be silly enough to make such a claim.

The "natural" in his title refers to "nature" in the Shakespearean sense - somebody who has never been exposed to any kind of education.

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Bill Sloman, Sydney
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bill.sloman

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Richard Lindzen does take a particular pleasure in winding up his colleague s.

Giving up burning fossil carbon for fuel isn't contemplating a roll-back of the industrial age, it's merely contemplating investing more heavily in ot her energy sources.

Generating electric power with wind turbines is already cheaper than genera ting it from burning fossil carbon, and solar cells are almost as competiti ve.

If we went from generating 1% of our electric power with solar cells we'd h alve the price of solar cells again, and they'd wipe the floor with everyt hing else.

The batteries to keep the lights on overnight have to be figured in, but th e combination is already attractive to a lot of customers.

The quote isn't dated, but the opinion is definitely long past it's sell-by date.

The Natural Philosopher does seem to be getting his philosophy from somethi ng at least as natural as a dung heap.

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Bill Sloman, Sydney
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bill.sloman

Our cabin is at 6400, and you can tell the difference. I boiled the mashed potatoes for 1.25 hours, instead of 30 minutes or so at sea level.

Try hiking some time at 12,000 feet.

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John Larkin         Highland Technology, Inc 

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John Larkin

Socialists enjoy punishing citizens, especially rural deplorables.

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John Larkin         Highland Technology, Inc 

lunatic fringe electronics
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John Larkin

It is a major surprise for me that 300 thousands of French citizens decided to leave their homes and are fiercely fighting with their own socialism. It clearly is equivalent to an anti-ice penguin movement in Antarctica or the like. Just amazing.

Best regards, Piotr

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Piotr Wyderski

Almost like some of them have standards and won't just sign on for the first petroleum industry PR job that offers them a million bucks to write PR pieces for business-as-usual and be a paid hoe

a "cushy job" by Usenet-troll standards maybe

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bitrex

It's like the urban/rural split in the USA. Governments are run by highly paid people who take subways or limousines to work; rural people have to pay to run their cars and tractors, and make the food that the coastal elites consume in expensive restaurants. The city people have contempt for the hicks who keep them alive, and the country folk know it.

Maybe a couple of years of mandatory national service would be a good idea. Either military, or work on a farm.

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John Larkin         Highland Technology, Inc 

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John Larkin

Oh, like at 0 9' 18" S, 37 19' 3" E for example, or even 46 1' 30" N, 6

51' 10" E (the latter being a nice day trip if you live in Geneva).
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Tim Streater

I would die. It's that simple

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The Natural Philosopher

Nothing like in fact.

In fact france has had a hybrid welfare/agriculture scheme ever since the war that allows agricultural producers to keep doing their food production in the most primitive most inefficient ways and everyone gets shafted by the much higher prices.

Even sillier than you usually manage, and that's saying something.

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Rod Speed

Don't risk opening your mind; your brain might fall out.

Bill

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Bill Wright

You think he has one?

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The Natural Philosopher

Because they are virtually all shut

These foreign insects and funghi, coming over here, attacking our trees......

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newshound

It's a bit late in the day for me to be bothered by all climate change stuff, and I'll just carry on as usual.

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RobH

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