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The European Union's, obviously.

The natural philosopher's understanding of historical and economic forces d oesn't seem to be wonderful, and his idea that the EU has got everything wr ong isn't exactly plausible.

There are political protests going on in various members states of the EU, but the protestors are angry with their own governments - as a opposed to t he EU as a whole.

In much the same way, and to much the same extent as the UK is absolutely g uaranteed to fall apart into England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland, with a high chance that England itself will split into the Home Counties, the North and the West.

Former Yugoslavia went that way, and Czechoslovakia is now the separate Cze ch and Slovak Republics. Of course they are all still members of the Europe an Union.

The Brexiteers were gullible enough to believe the twaddle they were sold, which makes them remarkably stupid.

The yellow-jacket protesters in France aren't object to the EU, but rather to the French governments habit of raising its tax income by regressive rat her than progressive taxes - the price of diesel fuel has gone up 25% in a year, but only in France, and largely because Macron jacked up the tax take .

Disproof by assertion? The EU was the UK's largest trading partner - puttin g up tariff barriers between the UK and what used to be its largest trading partner isn't going to do the UK any good at all. It won't hep the EU eith er, but the EU is a whole lot bigger than the UK.

Except that the EU is no sinking Titanic - it's doing fine, and will keep o n doing well without the UK.

The natural philosopher's idea of a "substantive point" is one that he find s convincing. His judgement isn't impressive.

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Only to the natural philosopher.

I wonder why? Neither the left or the EU is thinking about putting idiots i nto concentration camps or gas chambers. Maybe the natural philosopher is e nough of an idiot to think that they'd go to the trouble, but idiots with s illy ideas aren't actually much of threat to anybody, no matter how silly t heir ideas, because they can't get organised.

een fooled.

And the natural philosopher has no idea how thoroughly he has been fooled.

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Bill Sloman, Sydney
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bill.sloman

The natural philosopher is nuts, Cursitor Doom is nuts, and they have fallen into a rather deep ditch - the slough of gullible dim-wittedness.

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Bill Sloman, Sydney
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bill.sloman

In what way?

Gas chambers being built near you?

Your business being firebombed?

You relatives being rounded up and imprisoned?

If not that kind of thing, then what?

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Tom Gardner

Sounds more like the tail wagging the dog to me. The UK market is big enough to dictate terms to the largest of corporations. Don't forget we are also the largest overseas investors in many other G7 countries.

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Cursitor Doom

The only way they could punish us would be if we retain a "leader" like Treason May who would let them walk all over us without any retaliation in kind, and I have a hunch she isn't going to be around much longer. Send a crabby old woman to do a man's job and this is what you get. Cometh the hour, cometh the man. The PM job needs someone with *BALLS* and sadly May hasn't got any, physically or metaphorically.

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Cursitor Doom

Cursitor Doom is deluded about the UK's status in the economic world.

It's got a population of 66.6 million, but this doesn't make it a large market.

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It comes in at position 22, with an income of $39,800 per capita, just behind France which has about a million more people. Germany is bigger and richer - about 80 million and $44,769 per capita.

The UK is a big investor in other G7 countries because there's not a lot to invest in in the UK. Thatcher saw to that. I didn't leave England until after she'd become mad enough that even the Tory Party noticed that she was deranged, and slung her out.

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bill.sloman

Cursitor Doom deludes himself about the UK's capacity to "retaliate" when the EU starts charging import duties on stuff it sells to the EU - he's as silly as Trump, who thinks that the US can "win" a trade war.

Teresa May has enough sense to try to make the best of a fairly hopeless situation, but the Tories - collectively - may not be that bright.

One shudders to think how Boris Johnson would manage. He does suffer from delusions of competence, and the UK would suffer from rather more if he got the top job.

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The big surprise to me was that May didn't go to Johnson and say "Brexit, that's your idea. I make you in charge of it. Report back your progress to the commons regularly". She made a huge rod for her back considering how many different ideas there were on what Brexit was. Johnson's failure to deliver the impossible would have been an end to him.

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david eather

It matters to those that have participles. You know, those nebulas things that make us Human.

Yep.

Pardon?

Means nothing of the sort.

We don't charge them input duty, they don't charge us input duty. End of.

Immigration is a totally different matter from trade entirely. There is no principle that mandates such a linking, despite the EU requiring it.

Ho hummm.. No MEPs are NOT the same as MPs. Its fundamentally different. MPs get to to write up the laws. MEPs dont. The EU commission, an unelected body get to write the laws.

MEPS are basically window dressing. The EU was deliberately setup to stop voters having a say in the laws.

That is not an argument to prevent one from attaining such a goal to the best approximation possible.

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Kevin Aylward

No its not. Its a number that may or may not have any relevance to the actual temperature in the Sahara, 105 years ago. Hint: the Sahara don't have a lot of water... Dah....

Its all just one extrapolation from another, from one assumption from another.

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Kevin Aylward

Brexit was *not* Johnson's idea; not even close. May wanted to control the negotiations from the shadows so she could contrive such a rotten deal that no one would back it and we'd sooner remain in the EU rather than sign up to it. It's very much like that old Mel Brooks movie, The Producers - and like that movie, it will result in unintended consequences for those who would thwart the will of the people as we shall shortly see.

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Cursitor Doom

I did get to spend some time in Oxford, which made the whole fiasco worth it.

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Millions of USians promised to flee to Canada if you-know-who were elected.

The French do have a knack for anarchy. But they are experiencing the same dynamics as the US: urban elite foodies prospering at the expense of the deplorable ignorant yokels who keep them alive.

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John Larkin

Why? What does sovereignty *per se* give me or you? The term itself is controversial and difficult to define.

Personally I want to feel safe, be healthy, have enough food, and have fun. I have those inside the EU.

Entirely true, but you are missing the key reality...

/India/ will /continue/ to link immigration and tariffs/trade, as they have been for a couple of decades (at least).

If you've ever been to India then you will find that the feelings on the street towards the British are not benign. Indian politicians would /gain/ local stature and votes by humiliating the colonial oppressor. The BJP government is ready able and willing to do just that.

Maybe that would be desirable, maybe not. Either way it is irrelevant to the ignorant statements that were made.

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Tom Gardner

Could you possibly take a bit more trouble over your attributions, John? It's kind of hard to work out which utter, incorrigible *moron* you're attempting - in good but misplaced faith - to debate with here. ;->

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Cursitor Doom

It's just a newsgroup. It doesn't matter.

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John Larkin

Winny thought he knew with the gold standard and was wrong about that and about a number of other policy choices too.

It was never that black and white.

Nothing cowardly about it. Whats the point of having a referendum if you ignore a result you don?t agree with ?

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Rod Speed

That last is very arguable given that they have a hybrid welfare/agriculture scheme that allows very inefficient food producers to continue to operate the way they have since the war, very comfortably.

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Rod Speed

You are.

That?s only true of india which doesn?t do all that much trade with the UK anymore.

Irrelevant. India is a tiny part of UK trade now.

India doesn?t get to humiliate the UK. Never has done and never will do.

But has no capacity to do that.

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Rod Speed

The regulartorty framework is *already* in place for a post brexit situation

No, we will not. This has all beenm dealt with by te UKs regulatory nuclear authoirity

YOU read the headlines in te scaremonger press. *I* read the small colunmns in the nuclear industru press.

It is trivially easy if yoiu e.g. give way to every demanmd like May has done

Agreed gettinmg a FAIR deal takes te sort of work she is not capable of.

Thats whey we need to simply leave with no deal Then they can f*ck right off.

That why we have to leave the EU

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