OT: Climate Change Bullshit

Hillary Clinton has her faults, but the ones that John Larkin ascribes to her are pure right-wing propaganda that only a gullible twit like John Larkin would take seriously.

She was a perfectly competent US secretary of State for a few years, which means that she knew more about the world than any previous US electoral candidate.

Trump does have his international connections, and when Mueller finally teases them all out Trump will probably end up behind bars.

The major problem with Trump is that he is a shameless liar, which ought to have been enough on its own to exclude him from public office.

The personality defects should also have been fatal, but John Larkin shares some of them and doesn't realise quite how fatal they should have been.

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Bill Sloman, Sydney

A typically coherent and convincing argument from a brexiteer.

criticism of the EU is already a crime for any member of it. Punishable by loss of job and pension IIRC.

It is in fact the ONLY way that a member - a bureaucrat can actually sever ties with it.

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The lifetime of any political organisation is about three years before  
its been subverted by the people it tried to warn you about. 

Anon.

Whose self inter4ets?

And over what time span?

The EU has been building up trouble for itself because its long term understanding of historical and economic forces has been close to zilch,and its obsession with idealsitic politiocal strictrures at te expense of pragmatic management has alienated it from vast swathes of the European population.

Its latest actions may save it a few years, but they ensure its eventual demise.

Remoaners show us that yes, in general the European population is pretty stupid, but Brexiteers and yellowjackets show us that in the end they are not sufficiently stupid to lie down and take it.

Proof by assertion? No. it won't be.

Eben a cold lifeboat is better than a sinking Titanic

We can agree on that.

Already being *engineered* in order to bias the outcome.

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The lifetime of any political organisation is about three years before  
its been subverted by the people it tried to warn you about. 

Anon.

And these days te so called soft left centrists are ALSO anti-democratic, as the European Unions demonstrates.

Well, maybe, maybe not.

From where I am sitting, looking at the Left and the EU, I feel like a Jew in 1930s Germany.

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It?s easier to fool people than to convince them that they have been fooled. 
Mark Twain

In a nutshell., yes!

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"And if the blind lead the blind, both shall fall into the ditch". 

Gospel of St. Mathew 15:14

Ah. Project fear again.

Grandmother, eggs, suck

Indeed.

"Most medical radioisotopes made in nuclear reactors are sourced from relatively few research reactors, including:

HFR at Petten in Netherlands (supplied via IRE and Curium). BR-2 at Mol in Belgium (supplied via IRE and Curium). Maria in Poland (supplied via Curium). Orphee at Saclay in France (supplied via IRE).

LVR-15 at Rez in Czech Republic (supplied via IRE). HFETR at Chengdu in China. Safari in South Africa (supplied from NTP). OPAL in Australia (supplied from ANM). ETRR-2 in Egypt (forthcoming: supplied to domestic market). Dimitrovgrad in Russia (Isotop-NIIAR). NRU at Chalk River in Canada (supplied via MDS Nordion) ceased production in October 2016, and the reactor closed down in March 2018."

So yes, I have evidence that if the European Union as an act of war decides to PREVENT exports of these items to a nation that is in WTO rules, same as any other nation like - say - Equador - this making itself an international pariah state, it would not be impossible to source them from other nations.

Oh dear. Kool aid now drunk I see.

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"And if the blind lead the blind, both shall fall into the ditch". 

Gospel of St. Mathew 15:14

And at the same time you rubbish things that are being done like stockpiling insulin as project fear.

Typical brexiteer can't think of a better way to do it but complain about what is being done.

So predictable, he doesn't understand or like it so its project fear. Its a wonderful creation, propaganda.

He will put that down to project fear too as its the brexiteers catch all.

So now TNP is claiming brexiteers are not stupid, however we have several examples of brexiteers here: harry, TNP, CD, etc all of whom can be seen to be very stupid

Ohh didums, who's picking on you?

Dunno about 1930s, but if I were a Jew today I'd be making plans to get the hell out of EUrope!

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Of course. I wouldn't expect otherwise. They want - corporations to move their businesses to the EU (and they are already doing that: e.g. Barclays and Jacob Rees-Mogg's company[1]) - to frighten others into not leaving

Whatever the motivation, the end result is that we will be worse off outside the EU, and will be pushed around by the larger commercial and political blocs.

[1] actions speak louder than words; he's a very charming hypocrite Ditto ex-chancellor and prominent brexiteer Nigel Lawson, who has applied for residency in France

Many English people are doing just that, by making use of foreign grandparents to enable them to escape from the UK before it ceases to be the UK.

Remarkably, if unsurprisingly, you contradict yourself in your own post...

That's exactly the point the "project fear" document makes.

Are you really expecting countries to perform illegal actions exporting nuclear materials to other countries that aren't part of a common regulatory framework.

By Brexiteers *intent*, once we are out of Euratom we will be in the same position as N. Korea.

The kool aid is believing it will be easy.

Look at how Wallonia (half of Belgium) held up the trade treaty with Canada. Spain is going to have real fun doing that with us over Gibraltar :(

As a eurocrat put it, member states can and will regard future treaty negotiations as a christmas tree: *each* will hang their own bauble on it. And we will be out in the cold until *all* baubles have been agreed. That's at least 27 baubles :(

Because the true self-interest of the EU should that of its member states - all of them, which at the present time includes us. What is the EU doing having an independently self-determined self-interest?

The EU has no business sulking because one of its members chooses to leave. It has no business deciding it should "punish" a member state for leaving. That makes it no better than the Soviet Union, who sent in the tanks when Hungary and Czechoslovakia hinted they wanted to leave its ambit.

That you think it's OK for the EU to have a "self-interest" just confirms that you are a twerp. That the EU has such a self-interest and also seeks to punish, just confirms that the EU is wrongly structured and is led by the wrong people - people that we, the electorate, can't get rid of.

End of discussion.

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"What causes poverty?" Wrong question. Poverty is our primordial state. The 
real question is, "What causes wealth?" 

Hint: it ain't Socialism.

This is just an argument that might have been used to seek peace with Adolf in 1939, and instead of war, divided up Europe between us.

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"That excessive bail ought not to be required, nor excessive fines imposed, 
nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted"  --  Bill of Rights 1689

Yes, it could be.

The flipside of that is more revealing...

Cameron had the notion that leadership is "where do you want to go? OK, follow me". May has perpetuated that.

Earlier generations had the notion that leadership was knowing where it is best to go, and then convincing doubters to follow them.

Both Cameron and May said it was best to remain, then were cowardly, hiding behind "it is the will of the people".

We decided to leave, and once we have left they *will* be acting in the interest of the *remaining* states.

Hence your statements below are nonsensical.