OT: Climate Change Bullshit

This guy is clearly seriously loopy.

Well, none of you does, obviously. You only trade with the EU's permission, don't you know that? Membership of the EU, or failing that a Trade Agreement in the EU's favour, and respecting the EU's four freedoms, is the only way. All other trade is forbidden.

Well of course. And it will be all our fault for not understanding what a wonderful entity the EU is. And we will have to pay reparations for all the damage we did to Germany, France, Italy, etc during WW2, which was the last time someone tried to create a United Europe. Europe will be united behind the EU, BY ORDER!

I haven't been following, but AIUI, Emperor Macron is trying to raise a bit of dosh by raising fuel taxes. BICBW.

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Yes, but a lot were specifically concerned about Supreme Court nominations. Really the same thing.

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The EU isnt even that, because the EP doesn?t get to initiate legislation or even amend it.

Not possible for MEPs to do that given that they can't initiate legislation or even amend it.

That can't happen with MEPs, because they don?t get to do anything legislation wise.

But the MPs can initiate legislation and amend it too.

MEPs can't and that?s why the EU isnt a representative democracy.

I'm glad you recognise your previous error, viz about us not living in a democracy.

Such basic "misapprehensions" do seem to be common in Brexiteers. Even those in parliament :(

however the british authority has already prepared a complete replacement strategy if a 'no deal' occurs.

No no effect on nucleara power at all. Except it might get cheaper

Its easy enough in 2 years to organise 'life without the EU' . The fact that others haven't done it is simply a meassure of laziness and incompetence.

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All the same stuff, give or take.

But that's missing the point: highly qualified people (i.e. of the sort we ought to want here) are choosing to avoid us.

The Geim anecdote is merely that; but it is being repeated in other domains, e.g. biochemistry.

I wish mine was. Usually I'm too far ahead of the curve :)

Irrelevant. The only relevant question is whether we are better in or out. Many people think in, and those that are able to escape *are* voting with their feet.

Whether they are correct is not yet proven, but once they have gone the question becomes unimportant.

Overly melodromatic, of course.

The EU will, without doubt, "make us pay" - if only to demonstrate to other internal dissenters the penalties of being outside the tent. Galileo was the start; it won't be the end.

Mechanisms can be subtle.

In the mid 80s France wanted to protect its VCR industry against the Japanese. They couldn't impose differential tariffs, so they ensured all Japanese VCR imports had to go through Poitiers. Look at a map, and see Potiers' relationship to big ports :)

No idea; don't care. The French do such things regularly. Another technique is farmers turning on muckspreaders just as they drive past town halls etc.

Oh, it's not the location of the condensation, it's the locus of all the sea surface that generated the atmospheric moisture that is being probed. Global wind patterns mix in ALL the region at/near the test latitude. "vague indication" is unacceptable in lieu of a real error estimate. Rethink that. 'fudge' is a hate-word, inappropriate in this context.

Nonsense, of course; that kind of 'accuracy' is a toolroom bit of wisdom for production engineering, it's NOT how you calibrate/analyze a measurement if you have man-months to consider the problem. Real science uses statistical tools a lot more sophisticated than that rule-of-thumb.

And real science DOES get numbers that stand up to scrutiny, which is more important than your attempt to ridicule without scrutiny.

They are all terrtibvly third world. They mist be. They are not in the EU.

Just a heap of bureaucracy taht will in the end damage Eurpopean nations more than the UK

It was explamed to me this way

"We voted Right. More taxes. We voted left: More taxes. Maybe next time we vote Marine le Pen instead"

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Climate Change: Socialism wearing a lab coat.

All this does is prove what a *wonderful* entity the EU is . Clearly its an assemblage of entirely free nations that all would want to be part of.

Small wonder that Switzerland and Iceland terminated their applications to enter the EU. Small nations, admittedly, but now we see why.

Next thing you'll see is are Treaty amendments which will remove A50, and another that will ban referendums on EU membership by existing members, and make criticism of the EU a crime.

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Which also can't happen, in practice, since to elect MEPs we've been using the shitty list system. Generally that means that for at least the main parties those at the top of the list are guaranteed to be elected; you can't get rid of them.

Although we almost managed to wipe out the egregious LibDems last time.

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I don't think the EU is wonderful; it certainly has significant problems. It is merely behaving in a way that is consistent with self-interest - why would it do otherwise?

But you are (deliberately?) avoiding the point: it will be worse out than in. It isn't good vs bad, it is the lesser of two evils.

We notice you snip the substantive points that illustrate how that is *already* happening.

Yes, as the old adage goes, "no matter who you vote for, the government is always elected".

But it won't just be Le Pen or Stephen Yaxley-wotsisname. It could be Corbyn or someone on the far left. The far left and far right are very similar and are both anti-democratic, as Stalin and Goebbels knew.

Welcome to the Weimar Republic Mk2. And, my, didn't that end well.

They're fed up with being f***ed-over with ever higher taxes on the pretext of climate change.

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No, it hasn't. I hope neither you nor anybody near to you needs radiotherapy for a cancer.

Start with

Realise the radioisotopes can never be stockpiled delays in transport (doh!). Pay particular attention to Technectium-99m, Iodine-131 and "Xofigo".

All are imported, and the cancer patients are completely dependent on those imports.

Or perhaps you have evidence (not a pious assertion) to support your claim?

Don't start quoting those that have a track record of claiming it will be trivially easy to negotiate new treaties and countries will be queuing up to do deals with us. Even the fragrant Liam Fox MP has abandoned his claims in the face of evidence!

You never could bullshit your way out of a wet paper bag.

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Not entirely accurate. In any event Marx went off the rails when he endorse d "the leading role of the party"and got slung out of the international soc ialist movement in 1871. Right wing lunatics think that they can use the de fects of Marxist communism to to smear the democratic socialist movement, w hich is a trifle idiotic.

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From the start, the "Common Market" was seen a step along the path to a Eur opean federation, and the electorates were very rarely directly consulted o n whether their country would join up.

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Like many of the natural philosophers "reasons", this one is based on out o f date information, probably gleaned from a denialist web-site. Once China had invested the capital to make ten times a many solar cells per year as a nybody else, the unit cost of solar cells halved, and the current Australia n government - whiuch is heavily influenced by the mining industry can't pe rsuade power companies to invest in new fossil-carbon fueled power stations because they can generate power more cheaply from solar cells and wind far ms.

How?

How?

How? And for what?

Has this actually happened? Provide a link to a detailed account of the med icant activity.

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India is going to be close behind China as a world economic power in the no t too distant future. The UK used to be, but its no longer in a position to be disrespectful to it's great and power friends.

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At present the European parliament is impotent, and the EU is run by the go vernments of the member states. The unelected bureacrats do what they are t old by elected governemnts of the member states

Just as dishonest as carrying on about the impotence of MEPs when the power is actually in the hands of the elected MPs in the governments of the memb er states.

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The British electorate could vote to elect MPs to the British parliament wh o would use Britain's appreciable influence within the EUtoget the changes that the British electorate wanted. Democracy never gives anybody all the p ower that they'd like.

Not so much ignored as only respected as far as is practical.

The Welsh, the Scots and the inhabitants of northern Ireland have had to co pe with the same kind of democratic representation for several hundred year s. Now the English are in the same boat. Get used to it.

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But the EU is - in fact - run by the governments of the individual countrie s within the European Union, and they do each represent the will of the peo ple who elected them.

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But since it is the individual countries who - in concert - determine what happens in the EU the democratic will of the people gets exercised through their national parliaments.

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Not yet. But it is run by a bunch of representative democracies, acting in concert, which is probably close enough for all practical purposes.

The Brexiteers have lots of impractical - and probably impracticable - purp oses in mind, which makes them a mindless rabble, as is all too visible fro m their posts here.

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Not one that they want to implement, because radically degrading the Britis h standard of living isn't going to sit well with the electorate (or that p art of it that can't get out of the UK to places where you cna get a well-p aid job and decent standard of living.

How?

And certain unwillingness to face the popular reaction to a radical degrada tion the British standard of living.

Socialism is famous for using population surveys to find out what the world actually looks like, and proposing legislation that improves the lot of th e bulk of the population.

In the US the right hates universal health care, and the US - uniquely amon gst advanced industrial countries - hasn't got it.

The US life expectancy has fallen for the last two years in a row, which is to say that they have seriously failed in dealing with the world as it is.

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"Thinking" as the natural philosopher understand the word.

Not much chance of that. The UK is a lot smaller than the rest of the EU, and anything the UK has, the EU has got more of - and better - in one of the member countries.

So Marine le Pen is neither right nor left? She's barking mad. like her father before her, but braking mad on the right-wing fringe of the political spectrum.

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I very much doubt if "the pretext of climate change" has anything to do wit h it.

Even if Cursitor Doom is much too dim to follow the reasoning, climate chan ge is real, and you don't need to raise taxes to deal with it.

Renewable energy generation is now as cheap or cheaper than generating powe r by burning fossil carbon, and going to get cheaper as it supplies a great er proportion of the energy we consume (up from the current 1% world wide).

Making the transition to renewable energy is going to require a lot of capi tal investment, but a lot of that is money that would otherwise have been s pent on replacing worn-out fossil carbon fueled generators, but that just m eans that it isn't going to happen overnight.

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