OT: 14 yo sails around world by herself - despite socialists

There is an interesting movie Laura Dekker made about her trip around the world. in Holland, she was determined to do it. In reaction, the government there:

-Tried to have her declared insane and put on psychiatric drugs.

-Tried to take her away from her father and make her a ward of the state.

-Tried to say she was dodging schooling.

-Tried to say it was illegal under UN law.

-Predicted she would surely sink and drown. And many other motions and legal arguments, going on for a year.

Finally, she won, and set sail for a circumnaviagation trip. On the way, she had some choice words for the socialists:

"They talk about equality, but they are all about money. Since they have no higher ideals, they are fearful and weak. They can't imagine doing something like this."

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A comment about the "American Dream." It was re-written by the Progressives to mean "a house and a car." This is indeed the god of the socialists, but the American Dream to the founders meant "freedom,' including freedom to live in poverty and pursue your dreams. It's not about money, which is the obsession of socialists.

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As usual you're full of sh_t. All you're talking about is the typical child protective services crowd ever trying to justify their existence by doing anything except their job.

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I don't see any correlation between socialism and child safety. More likely the industry associated with child abuse and fear of the unorthodox.

You can't have it both ways. Should a child be allowed to make life-changing decisions for themselves? Are you advocating reducing the age of consent and age at which you can drink alcohol? They are certainly less life-changing than death by drowning!

What precisely are you trying to say?

And there's me thinking the American dream was about grasping opportunities leading to success, hardly a socialist outlook.

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She lives in the Netherlands, at Wijk bij Duurstede, which is in the provin ce of Utrecht to the east of the province of North Holland.

Saying that she lives in Holland is like saying that a resident of Wales li ves in England

It wasn't the government, but the municipal child-care authority

That didn't get any publicity, if it actually happened - she and her father are somewhat nuts, and may have imagined that this was going on.

Sensible enough. Nobody in their right mind would send a 14-year-old off to sail around the world on her own.

Seems to be a necessary implication of being on a boat sailing around the w orld on your own.

It probably ought to be.

I don't remember that. Solo-sailing is risky even for adults, but the newsp aper reports were all agreed that she was a remarkably competent sailor.

It was a risky enterprise. At the every least, the girl and her father need ed to be forced to justify their plan and spell out the details.

she had some choice words for the socialists:

no higher ideals, they are fearful and weak. They can't imagine doing some thing like this."

Fourteen-year-olds do talk like that. The child-care authorities involved may have been worried that the father was essentially sending his daughter out on a risky project in the hope of making a lot of money out of the cons equent publicity - a sort of Munchausen's-by-proxy

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es to mean "a house and a car." This is indeed the god of the socialists, but the American Dream to the founders meant "freedom,' including freedom to live in poverty and pursue your dreams. It's not about money, which is the obsession of socialists.

Interesting to see what Haitic understands by "socialism". You can read a l ot of socialist rhetoric without ever running into the phrase "a house and a car". Large chunks of it pre-date cars.

It's unlikely that the US founding fathers would have talked about any "Ame rican dream". Their rhetoric was more concrete, and that choice of words se ems to date from 1931 when James Truslow Adams popularized the phrase "Amer ican Dream" in his book "Epic of America".

As usual, Haitic reminds us that he doesn't know what he is talking about.

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Shades o the US, which is not TECHNICALLY socialist at the moment. You shou ld see they ways they take kids away here. It is not a socialist thing real ly, but it does seem that socialists are the ones doing this shit. Others t end to live and let live. well, some...

er are somewhat nuts, and may have imagined that this was going on. "

If they're anything like the US, they want the kids on SSRIs and shit like that, evneif it makes them want to shoot up a school or something.

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Sensible enough. Nobody in their right mind would send a 14-year-old off to sail around the world on her own. "

In the old days, 14 year olds were working, driving, practically graduated fromn school, if lucky were an apprentice. Some were evne married and start ing a family. Lately it seems people want to delay their development into a dults. Any idea why that is ? You sem to advocate it, perhaps you can expla in why they have to get practically old before they can do anything. I woul dn't know because I am the type to let 10 yeaolds use chainsaws and shit li ke that. Undeer supervision of course, but nonetheless, experience is the b est teacher. Of course not all are ready at the sae age. But if we toik and made the agee of majority to be when EVERYONE is mature, that age might be about 65.

Seems to be a necessary implication of being on a boat sailing around the w orld on your own. "

Missing a little school is no big thing. People take overseas vacations and thake their school age kids all the time. They just have to make up the tm e if they want to graduate. Some continue their scholling by mail, or its m odern equivalent, internet.

It probably ought to be. "

Why ? Why in the hell should it be ? I understand that you seem to always t ake the statist/authoritarian side of such things, but isn't that going a l ittle too far ? what else would you advocate being outlawed ? I shudder to think.

I don't remember that. Solo-sailing is risky even for adults, but the newsp aper reports were all agreed that she was a remarkably competent sailor. "

So what if shee died ? If she's mature enough to understand the risk versus the sense of accomplishment and possible notariety, why not ? By that logi c, Evil Knevil should have been in a rubber room. Keep on this way and abso lutely nhing interesting will ever happen in this world.

It was a risky enterprise. At the every least, the girl and her father need ed to be forced to justify their plan and spell out the details. "

Why ? Fuck them. What's next, get like NYC and regulate the size of soft dr inks and what kinds of oil is suitable for frying your food ? Bet they didn 't outlaw hydrogenated, which is way worse for you than lard.

she had some choice words for the socialists:

no higher ideals, they are fearful and weak. They can't imagine doing some thing like this."

That quote indicates a high intellect and perception. Socialism is poison t o individuality. When responsibility is shared, so is authority. When you g ot socialised medicine, shoulld they have a right to tell you what to eat a nd how to exercise ? Ever see 1984 ? If so, I suppose you might characteris e Smith6079W as a criminal who got what he deserved. No ? If not, why not ?

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hould see they ways they take kids away here. It is not a socialist thing r eally, but it does seem that socialists are the ones doing this shit. Other s tend to live and let live. well, some...

The point is that there's no evidence that anybody actually did try to have her declared insane or put on psychiatric drugs. She and her father may ha ve had paranoid fantasies about the possibility that this might happen, but it's unwise to take eccentrics at face value.

ther are somewhat nuts, and may have imagined that this was going on. "

e that, even if it makes them want to shoot up a school or something.

The Netherlands is not all that like the US, and there are no recorded case s of any kids shooting up a Dutch school. There are only 22 million Dutch a s opposed to roughly 320 million residents of the USA, so such events would be at least 14.5 times rarer on statistical ground - probably even rarer s ince the Dutch population is stable and that of the US is growing, and guns aren't easily accessible.

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to sail around the world on her own. "

d from school, if lucky were an apprentice. Some were even married and star ting a family. Lately it seems people want to delay their development into adults. Any idea why that is ? You seem to advocate it, perhaps you can exp lain why they have to get practically old before they can do anything.

Fewer lose fingers and limbs if you start them in risky occupation later. O ne of my contemporaries at school had already lost a couple of joints of a finger while working in the family business.

nd shit like that. Under supervision of course, but nonetheless, experience is the best teacher. Of course not all are ready at the same age.

And few are ready at fourteen.

, that age might be about 65.

By which time senility has started to set in for some. In fact the age of m ajority dropped from 21 to 18 in most places some years ago.

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world on your own.

nd take their school age kids all the time. They just have to make up the t ime if they want to graduate. Some continue their schooling by mail, or its modern equivalent, internet.

Remote schooling can more or less work - three of my nieces and nephews wer e taught remotely for a few years when their parents moved them up to centr al Australia for a few years, and all three eventually made it through tert iary education. The girl is now the only one of my nieces and nephews to ha ve published a paper in a peer-reviewed journal. Solo sailors don't have a lot of free time or high-bandwidth internet connections, so remote schoolin g might not work as well for them.

And there is the real worry that the father was setting up his daughter to be an international celebrity who was going to devote a lot of her post-rec ord-breaking time to well-paid public appearances. It's a career - of a sor t - but one that leaves the kid ill-prepared for adult life.

take the statist/authoritarian side of such things, but isn't that going a little too far ? what else would you advocate being outlawed ? I shudder t o think.

You do have a problem with thinking - as we've noticed. It's a question of a parent manipulating a talented child into a position that generates a lot of exploitable publicity. There are fairly draconian rules about child act ors and child prodigies as public performers. Shirley Temple survived her e arly career as a child star rather better than July Garland and Mickey Roon ey.

spaper reports were all agreed that she was a remarkably competent sailor.

s the sense of accomplishment and possible notoriety, why not?

At fourteen, she isn't.

He should have been. He suffered from 433 bone fractures, which does sugges t that his risk assessment skills were flawed

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his world.

Evel Knievel was easily bored. People with better judgement can keep themse lves entertained with less dangerous activities.

eded to be forced to justify their plan and spell out the details. "

Because it goes wrong, the kid has killed herself. That's irreversible.

nds of oil is suitable for frying your food ? Bet they didn't outlaw hydrog enated, which is way worse for you than lard.

Eating wrong does kill you - eventually - but the damage is more gradual th an drowning, and you get the chance to recognise that you are overweight or have clogged arteries, and can do something about it before it kills you.

, she had some choice words for the socialists:

e no higher ideals, they are fearful and weak. They can't imagine doing so mething like this."

You may think so. More perceptive observers would hear echoes of some rathe r dismal rhetoric.

A bizarre opinion.

dicine, should they have a right to tell you what to eat and how to exercis e?

Sure. It's useful advice. You don't have to take it.

riminal who got what he deserved. No ? If not, why not ?

I read George Orwell's "1984" as an adolescent. It's a powerful dystopia, b ut in a sense it's just a reworking of his "Homage to Catalonia" - he didn' t like the way Soviet Communism worked. It clearly also draws on Aldous Hux ley's "Brave New World" from 1931 and probably also from "We" by Yevgeny Z amyatin published in 1921, though that was originally published in Russian, which George Orwell never seems to have read, and the influence could well be second hand.

If I characterised Smith6079W as a criminal I'd clearly have failed to unde rstand the novel, so your question is nonsensical.

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