Oil Producers Are Burning Enough 'Waste' Gas to Power Every Home in Texas !

And there you have it folks. The genius with the easy solutions, that claims to understand the issue, thinks that you can put gas through an oil pipeline! Nuff said about your credibility.

The classic, simplistic, foolish solution from the guy who thinks you can put gas through an oil pipeline.

Typical. Drive up the price of oil, screw consumers, for your hippie notions. Meanwhile, Russia, Iraq, Iran each burn off far more gas than the US does. So, if global warming is your concern, screwing US consumers, our economy, while other oil producers do as they please and sell cheaper oil is just pissing in the wind. It's like burdening US manufacturers with more costs through regulation and then wondering why manufacturing jobs are leaving the country. And of course the lib solution to that is? More regulations.

Those flares you see at refineries are very small and mostly there as a safety feature. In the event there is an emergency and volatile gases have to be released, that's where they go and get burned. That's a nit compared to the real issue being discussed.

Must be watching old horror movies with a haunted castle? In the real houses that 99% live in, we have heat capture devices called furnaces or boilers. And today they are being installed with 93% to 97% efficiency. So, what's the problem again? To compare flaring off gas at a well where 0% is used to a home that uses gas at 93%+ efficiency to heat is beyond stupid. And the rare cases where a home has 6 chimneys, most or all of them are for FIREPLACES, that are rarely used. Today, in the vast majority of cases, that's all a chimney is used for, the furnaces are direct vent.

And so many don't understand what they are talking about.

His one word response made sense. Your reply is your typical nonsense. K is right, you're always wrong.

snipped-for-privacy@optonline.net wrote in news:68cf58b4-e7db-42eb-880b- snipped-for-privacy@googlegroups.com:

You have an obsession with this stupid shit. Here's one for ya, child:

GTFU

Or better yet:

GTFUCYMMWTUC

Communism didn't do well in the Soviet Union. Chinese communism is doing be tter.

Neither has all that much to do with socialism - both regimes like to claim that they are "socialist" but the emphasis on "the leading role of the par ty" makes them undemocratic and totalitarian.

Karl Marx and the proto-communists got thrown out of the international soci alist movement in 1871 for exactly this reason.

Democratic socialism is working fine in Scandinavia and northern Europe, wh ere it is perfectly compatible with free elections in free societies that r un on free enterprise (though the enterprises are little more carefully reg ulated than they are in the US and the industry lobbyists who fudge the US regulations to favour industry over consumers are less influential than the are in the US).

Your education does seem to have included a generous dollop of right-wing p ropaganda.

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as. They look at gas like a byproduct. Of course there is oil under much of it but what they doing like Pennsylvania is to make the wells and put tank s on them. Then a truck comes around and pumps it out into the truck. The m eter determines what the owner of the rights is to be paid, if they retain them. We were offered that years ago on the same property but that would RE ALLY require giving up tax info, which we do not do.

, no problem. But the fact is like the oil is the shit and the gas is the f art. All worth money but some more than other.

of the oil wells and whatever else. That money goes for the infrastructure and whatever, not into the pockets of a half dozen people. It is very diffe rent and from what I read, that form of, perhaps mild socialism does not st ifle >everything like it did with the Soviets or our democrats.

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It isn't "mild socialism". It is actual socialism. Soviet communism claimed to be socialist, but it was in fact a totalitarian one-party state, so the population as a whole didn't get to determine what was being done for them .

Norway happens to be a democracy.

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ibes the thing. Socialism is just a label."

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k. I do not deny that.

ny other public projects having to do with infrastructure - the same. There are pipelines of water between states, the feds are the boss of what cross es state lines for better or worse.

s are long. There has to be something. I agree with that, just not the leve l of socialism some want.

ersation. If you want to discuss an issue, discuss the issue. Why worry w ith giving it a label? Not much different from people labeling others or i deas as liberal or conservative. Each label carries a lot of implications which may or may not relate to the person or idea being discussed. As soon as someone uses a label like this too casually I realize they have an agen da.

can main stream media spent nearly a century trying to inculcate the idea t hat socialism and communism are the same thing.

So why do som many of our right-wing posters claim exactly that

Trade unions are socialist (and always have been). If you don't like trade unions, you try to depict them as instruments of Soviet foreign policy, see king to overthrow American democracy.

make > socialists into commies.

Got an example of any American commentary that makes the distinction?

It goes back to 1871, when Karl Marx and the proto-communists got thrown ou t of the international socialist movement, for being undemocratic.

Mikhail Bakunin's remarkably prophetic line dates from that episode

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?If you took the most ardent revolutionary, vested him in absolute power, within a year he would be worse than the Tsar himself.?

Quite the reverse. Totalitarian socialism is a contradiction in terms, but that didn't stop the Union of the Soviet Socialist Republics from claiming to be socialist, and every anti-trade-union campaigner tried to exploit thi s.

arty's notion of socialism on the rest of the population - which is decided ly undemocratic and unsocialist.

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They have to get voted into power to do, and they have to keep on being ele cted to keep on doing it. Pretty much everywhere that has got democratic so cialism also has proportional representation, and the government involved i s a coalition government. Parties come and go and the ruling coalition does change to reflect the changing views of the voters.

Look at Sweden's history sometime. The Social Democrat Party has often supp lied the prime minister, and it is currently the largest party, but it has had its up and downs.

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snipped-for-privacy@ieee.org wrote in news: snipped-for-privacy@googlegroups.com:

You mean where they get handed HUGE industrial, productive segments of OUR free international world, and then get allowed into the world's financial markets, despite their human right record? You mean those folks?

Communism is "doing better" because we cannot cut them off like we do NoK.

We need the precious reources only their fatherland holds.

The world and the people are ready for peace. The folks running nations seem to think that one day there will be a fight and a winner.

China still wants to use "The Art of War" as their guideline.

No one seems to notice that were we to go by that it would all already be over.

We are instead a very nice nation, not "taking the spoils" of so many wars we have won. We freely share all of our medical knowledge with te world and nations like China. We give give give all over the world, and China does not. IF they were to give, I hope it is going to be something besides the reanimation of some disease strain. They seem to have an agenda, and I do not like it.

Russia wants "off the Internet". We should oblige by severing actual hardware hooks. Transcontinental cables and all.

They want to set a filter on the world... the world should set a filter on them.

They want to ignore the UN and manipulate them and Trump with this NATO crap?

Pakistan should be getting their asses in a sling at the UN right now. Big time.

It is OK though. The war will likely be with NoK. It was predicted many hundreds of years ago. Long before Nostradamus even. Think old testament.

snipped-for-privacy@ieee.org wrote in news: snipped-for-privacy@googlegroups.com:

No propaganda here. Dollops or otherwise. In either direction.

Like the cheap tools, toys, phones made in China or Russian vodka? Those precious resources? Because that's what we're mostly buying.

Actually the way you act here, you're number one on the list of people who want a fight and who can't learn from past ones.

Let's see in the last two decades we went to war with Iraq, Afghanistan and Libya. We invaded and took control of two of those countries, with hundreds of thousands dead. Go back a little further and we have Vietnam with 55,000 Americans dead, millions in Vietnam and Cambodia. Who has China gone to war with in the last 60 years?

The people of Iraq would probably disagree, especially the hundreds of thousands that are dead, but can't speak.

not "taking the spoils" of so

That's generally true.

We freely share all of our medical knowledge

Maybe China is smarter? What has all our giving gotten us? Do those countries even give a damn?

Please show us where China has said they want to go off the internet. And don't you think that the way to convince people our way is better is for them to see it?

Filtering is very different from "going off the internet".

Of course the US doesn't "manipulate" the UN by having an agenda and what we want, does it? Like when we went to the UN and manipulated our way into a stupid war with Iraq that left hundreds of thousands dead, including 4400 Americans. Remember Colin Powell's speech to the UN where he presented the case for war with Iraq, claimed that Iraq was linked to Al Qaeda, was chock full of WMDs, WMD programs, had those mobile WMD labs? And it all turned out to be wrong, with hundreds of thousand dead and 15 years of war and disaster?

And NATO and Trump? Trump has done more damage to NATO in just two years than the Russians ever did. He's undermined it, called it obsolete, he even flat out said that the US might not honor our treaty obligation to come to the defense of a NATO country if they are attacked! He's praised Putin, never speaks about Russia invading half of Ukraine. He even said he was considering recognizing Putin's annexation of Crimea! Then he gets mad when people call him Putin's puppet.

Sure, after the world saw what's happened with Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, they're going to go to work on another muslim hornet's nest?

I see. So Trump is going to bring us Armageddon, straight out of the bible? Tell us more. This is the first time I've ever heard anyone claim NK is talked about in the bible.

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gas. They look at gas like a byproduct. Of course there is oil under much of it but what they doing like Pennsylvania is to make the wells and put ta nks on them. Then a truck comes around and pumps it out into the truck. The meter determines what the owner of the rights is to be paid, if they retai n them. We were offered that years ago on the same property but that would REALLY require giving up tax info, which we do not do.

le, no problem. But the fact is like the oil is the shit and the gas is the fart. All worth money but some more than other.

% of the oil wells and whatever else. That money goes for the infrastructur e and whatever, not into the pockets of a half dozen people. It is very dif ferent and from what I read, that form of, perhaps mild socialism does not stifle >everything like it did with the Soviets or our democrats.

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ed to be socialist, but it was in fact a totalitarian one-party state, so t he population as a whole didn't get to determine what was being done for th em.

I wasn't making a point about whether Norway was mild socialism or just socialism. My point was he made the comment that their socialism is mild, yet it owns 40% of oil wells and "whatever else", but it doesn't "stifle everything" like the Democrats here do? BTW, I see Norway oil production is at a 30 year low, so maybe the govt being in the oil business ain't working so great?

snipped-for-privacy@optonline.net wrote in news:866c50fe-ea33-4736-9529- snipped-for-privacy@googlegroups.com:

Essentially, you are not just an idiot, you are a disconnected, uninformed, ineducable abject idiot.

Ummm... Most recently, Tibet, Korea, Viet Nam, India, Sikkim (India), and Russia. Most of these were battles over borders and territory.

The book lost something in the translation. I have three printed books, two ebooks, and found some more online. All are slightly different, mostly aligned to current political thinking and in one case, current military buzzwords. Notice the differences in the chapter titles of the various translations: If you've ever struggled though an English translation of a Chinese user or service manual you should have little difficult understanding the translation problem.

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In October 2017 Donald Trump promised he would "turn the economy around", he hasn't managed that yet, it's _still_ growing (therefore it has not reversed direction), but maybe he's playing the long game with that the massive deficit. There's still a chance he'll deliver on that promise.

So, where are you getting this "Democrats here stifle everything" from?

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an gas. They look at gas like a byproduct. Of course there is oil under muc h of it but what they doing like Pennsylvania is to make the wells and put tanks on them. Then a truck comes around and pumps it out into the truck. T he meter determines what the owner of the rights is to be paid, if they ret ain them. We were offered that years ago on the same property but that woul d REALLY require giving up tax info, which we do not do.

sale, no problem. But the fact is like the oil is the shit and the gas is t he fart. All worth money but some more than other.

40% of the oil wells and whatever else. That money goes for the infrastruct ure and whatever, not into the pockets of a half dozen people. It is very d ifferent and from what I read, that form of, perhaps mild socialism does no t stifle >everything like it did with the Soviets or our democrats.

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Norway's oil is part of the North Sea oil fields, all of which have been be ing depleted for the last forty years. The government involvement isn't goi ng to influence that. In the US oil companies get depletion allowances, so the process is probably apolitical.

Jurb's point about Norwegian socialism being "mild" was based on the fact t he he confuses socialism with communism, and imagines that democratic socia lism is some kind of communism-lite, where as it is the basic and original socialism, and communism is a totalitarian system that likes to call itself socialist, despite being ejected from the socialist movement in 1871 for being undemocratic and consequently unlikely to champion the actual interes ts of the population as a whole. This misconception is pervasive in the USA .

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Usually Wiki is a good reference. In this case it's not. Your first reference claims that the US was at "war" with China several times. In fact these were skirmishes and the Vietnam War, where while China backed and supplied North Vietnam, that is very different from being at war with the US or anyone for that matter. They even call most of them "incidents" or "crisis". For example a Taiwan straits crisis. China fired some missile tests in the straits. The US responded by sending the fleet. End of story. That's now a war? The rest don't amount to much either, more in the class of very limited border conflicts. Nothing there in the last 60 years on the scale of what the US did in Iraq, that's for sure.

snipped-for-privacy@optonline.net wrote in news:63b108c1-f9ea-4a71-adc6- snipped-for-privacy@googlegroups.com:

Which you also trivialized.

I have seen them. There IS plenty of lost fuels that the burning of could be used to produce energy not currently captured.

Do you even understand the concept of being frugal?

You probably weigh over 300 pounds. None of it muscle.

snipped-for-privacy@optonline.net wrote in news:497cf021-e48c-457d-9e0b- snipped-for-privacy@googlegroups.com:

Using a bit of the ol' MJ inflection...

Go away, little putz... go away, little putz. Your elementary school punk jabs are just too lame... You thought you would make a diff... But in truth you are just a ditz... You guess as you go, but you just do not know... A damned thing... oh oh oh...

Go away, little putz.

That's another lie. I pointed out the reality, that if you look at where the oil wells are, they are likely scattered all over the place where there is no gas pipeline and facilities available to process it and get it to market. Oil well owners wouldn't be burning what they could sell, if it made economic sense. And I pointed out that Russia, Iraq, Iran are all way ahead of the US in terms of flaring. I'd also bet that if you looked at oil produced versus gas flared, the US is probably flaring less per barrel.

Sure, like the 40 watts you're going to produce from 14 chimneys on a "castle house".

Do you not understand that all people don't want to live frugally? That a rich guy with a 14 chimney house (and there sure aren't enough of them to even talk about), doesn't give a rat's ass about your

40watts from a chimney nonsense? Hell, that's not even frugal, it;s just stupid, because you'd never recover the cost.

BTW, why don't you give us the basics of how this works? What technology you propose? Tell me how much one costs for my house, with one chimney and how I get that whopping 40 watts from your chimney device to the battery in the garage at the other end of the house? 40 watts? ROFL And that would only be during the small part of the time that heat is actually going up the chimney. For many chimneys today, that's when the fireplace is burning on XMas day or similar.

From your lack of basic knowledge, it sounds like you never owned a house and dumb as you are, you never will.

Does that mean I'm not getting answers about your new invention?

What technology does it use? What gas stream temp does it require? How much does it cost? How does it get installed and how much does that cost? How long does it last? How do I get the whopping 40W from the chimney at one end of the house to the garage? I mean this is a forum where folks are supposed to know about tech, isn't it?

Note it's all BS anyway, because anyone that has a modern house already knows how to minimize energy costs, they use a high efficiency furnace or boiler that doesn't use a freaking chimney to begin with! Even old houses are being retrofitted, one after the other, with chimneys relegated to fireplaces that are used for effect, not to heat the place.

But, heh, where's my answers and price? It's about 50 ft across my two story house from the chimney to the garage where your battery will go. Does that help?