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Kim has blown up some missile facilities. Hasn't fired a nuke lately. Love is breaking out across the DMZ. Wait a while and see how things progress.

He's a billionaire, and you aren't.

His background is from being surrounded by sycophants, which has

Fortunately, every state gets two senators.

I disagree. His immigration and tariff policies are good for worker-guys. Cheap immigrant labor and cheap imports drive income inequality.

H and O didn't unify us by mocking deplorables and unredeemables who cling to their guns and religion, uneducated rubes without advanced degrees in sociology or geography or ethnic studies.

The rubes got even.

I think there is a moderating trend in the US public, specifically more independents and a move towards civility and moderation. The New York Times will be the last to notice.

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Really, only a few CEOs have great wealth, and that is usually in appreciated stock shares, just notional bits of paper. They didn't take that away from anyone. Well, some bankers and stock types did.

Most CEOs (hey, I'm a CEO) don't make remarkably more than employees. I don't make as much as a mid-level google coder.

The masses are paying for mortgages and rent and student loans and being whacked by cheap immigrant labor. It wouldn't help them much to take away Zuckerman's stock shares.

Zuck does own four houses near here, but not 4000.

One of my engineers lives next door to Zuckerman. She lives in a rent-controlled apartment just above Dolores Park.

Most people don't understand economics.

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Some of us suspect that the communists dumped established religions as competitors with their favourite set of irrational beliefs.

Democratic don't have show trials that end up condemning ideological heretics to death, or forced labour camps.

Not all the time. There were preachers who didn't approve of the use of anesthetics during childbirth, and Jehovah's Witnesses still don't approve of blood transfusions.

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Some of us suspect that the communists dumped established religions as competitors with their favourite set of irrational beliefs.

Democratic socialists don't have show trials that end up condemning ideological heretics to death, or to a life sentence in forced labour camps.

Not all the time. There were preachers who didn't approve of the use of anesthetics during childbirth, and Jehovah's Witnesses still don't approve of blood transfusions.

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I did write *some* CEOs.

The emotions resulting from people - /knowing/ they have been financially hurt - /because/ other people have profited are real and valid.

Economics doesn't come into it.

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Obama didn't mock anybody. Hillary Clinton was rude about the deplorables w ho were blind to Trump's faults. She didn't have anything to say about the nature of their education, though you would have to have gone to Tulane or some place even more rural not to notice.

With a lot of encouragement from the Russians.

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In the end it Trump made it on 77,000 votes in the swing states that turned out to be close enough to matter. Granting the time and effort the Russian s put in to influencing US voters to vote for Trump - rather than anybody w ho looked competent - it looks more as if the rubes got suckered.

The New York Times is even less moderate than Trump, and even less civil?

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Kim also has plenty of facilities that he has not dismantled, and you can be /very/ sure he has back-up copies of all the designs. His strategy is to be aggressive for a while, rattling his sabres - this lets his people do their testing and development. Then he calms down and acts friendly and peaceful - and people see the progress made, open trade routes, etc. This will go on until he feels that it is time to flex his muscles again. It is a repeating pattern - we have seen it before, and I expect to see it again.

And Trump is no more than a willing pawn in Kim's game, who thoroughly enjoyed goading Trump into making such a fool of himself with his childish antics.

However, we can always hope that the peaceful phase will last longer this time.

Absolutely true. He was born with a silver spoon, and has bullied and harassed his way to an entire silver cutlery drawer. I don't claim I have much skill in politics, economics, diplomacy or business - I only claim that he does not.

That is something that has its good points and its bad points. It is always the challenge for a democracy - how do you do what is best for the majority of the people, while also doing what is right for the minorities? (I am not going to make the slightest attempt to answer that, and don't expect you to do so either.)

I believe we agree to a certain extent about the problems, but disagree about the solutions.

Certainly the divisions in your country come from long before Trump - I don't blame him for that. I merely say that while most of your presidents have made an attempt at being "president for the whole country", Trump has taken the divisions as an advantage and worked hard to make them worse.

I am also mostly at a loss for ideas of how you could improve the situation - it is only easy to see ways to make it worse. Perhaps Trump's polarising will cause a rebound - people see how bad things can get, and that spurs them to work together. For at least some Republican politicians it is possible to agree with Democrats on one thing - they don't like Trump.

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He's President, and Hillary is not.

The rebound seems to be in the other direction. Both Democrats and Repubs, in a recent survey, want their parties to move right. I can understand a lot of democrats being repelled by the astonishing positions of MadMax and that Ortiz woman. I think a lot of people were put off by the JIT attacks on Kavanaugh.

France is having fun now.

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What has Hillary Clinton got to do with anything? I don't think she would have been a good president either, if that's of any relevance.

I can't tell you whether they are moving right or left - I was talking about getting a bit more agreement and a bit more desire to work together, rather than referring to any particular direction.

Again, what has that got to do with anything? At any time, there are going to be a few countries having political trouble. That is utterly irrelevant to the state of the USA.

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The hatred and violence and cursing are mostly from the left. Center is right-ward from far left.

The dynamics is similar: urban elites eat at 4-star restaurants and ride subways and tax and regulate the working/driving rural folks to advance their social agendas, think they are smart enough to control everything, and the rurals don't like it. They get called dumb racists and nationalists because they don't like being abused.

Why can't they just ship the pate' to Paris and behave as they are told?

Brexit happened from the same forces.

It's an increasing left/right economic and cultural and physical separation. Let's hope it has peaked.

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That's too simplistic, although it played a part.

Quite a few CEOs want Brexit, others don't.

Left/right discussions simply cannot explain Brexit; it splits both major parties.

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I think Brexit is part of trumps play to divide Europe (and make US seem stronger relative to it) he is scared of Europe and the Euro, his ultra right messenger was in the UK to stir up the revolt.

It is better for the UK to side with the rest of Europe and form a strong European army as long as it is not sinking below the waves because of glowballworming. UK and it nuclear capabilities could play an import role in an European force. Then they should adapt the Euro too.

Long ago I did read that somebody in the UK said: Maybe brexit will happen, maybe it will never happen. It seems to be unclear what will happen ...

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Brexit has been an issue for decades. Trump might try to exploit it, but nobody over on this side of the pond takes much notice of him. They presume his attention will wander, he'll say something contradictory, and will be gone soon.

His main effect is to make good comedy fodder (but out politicians are doing well in that area), to make people realise that the US isn't as wonderful as it likes to think, and to turn towards China.

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D doesn't seem to be scared of anything.

Europe should side with Europe in that respect.

It's interesting that they never did. Maybe good that they never did. The euro is under some stress from having a common currency but no common government.

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Hillary Clinton was a remarkably well-qualified candidate (as Obama pointed out) and Trump seems to have been worst qualified candidate ever to stand for president. Naturally the Russians put a lot of effort into getting Trum p elected, and with their help he scraped through with a 77,000 vote majori ty in a few states which were particularly vulnerable to Russian misinform ation.

He now doing a truly rotten job, but is still managing to press your button s.

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Part of the same pandering to the small states compromise that produced the electoral college and Trump's presidency. Over-representing small states i n the house of review isn't a bad idea, and has been copied in more recent constitutions. Over-presenting small states in picking an executive preside nt is lunacy, and hasn't been copied.

Alexander Hamilton claimed that electoral college would enable the rejectio n of obviously duff candidates like Trump, and it clearly didn't do what he claimed it would.

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But giving even more power to the rich capitalists who import the immigrant labour and outsource manufacturing isn't good for the worker-guys.

Trump used issues to whip up popular support, but doesn't seem to have done anything might actually help the worker guys since he became president. He rhetoric may appeal to you, but his performance doesn't match his rhetoric .

You need to post to a link to that survey. It is notorious that you can wor d a survey to get the answer you want.

One can understand why John Larkin wouldn't like Maxine Waters.

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Saner people people seem to find her more sympathetic. Her electorate seems to like her, as she keeps getting re-elected with 70% of the vote.

Kavanaugh was clearly a sleazebag when he was young - people of John Larkin 's political persuasion seem to think that this is a good thing, presumably because that makes them easier to influence when they get into powerful po sitions.

But Macron does seem to have the sense to listen to the protestors.

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Donald Trump doesn't seem to understand much, which makes him foolhardy, ra ther than brave.

When your life started with you being protected by a rich father and has pr oceeded through to the phase where you can afford to pay lawyers well enoug h that they will end up going to prison for doing what you told them to do, it isn't surprising that Trump doesn't seem to be scared of anything - wh atever it is, it's going to happen to somebody else.

The famous US Abrams tank has a German gun and British Cobham armour. Europ e does seem to have some competence in the military area.

Europe has got a common government, in that the various national government s negotiate mutually acceptable compromises. The European Parliament hasn't got much to do with this, but it's there against the day the various natio nal governments see sense.

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Well, it does take some serious "skill in politics" to win 304 electoral votes while spending a fraction of what the Clinton machine did.

This is great fun to read:

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You probably ought to figure in what the Russian's spent on keeping her out and backing the candidate who they figured was least likely to give them a hard time.

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Hillary Clinton did get 3 million more popular votes, but the Russians seem to have concentrated their attentions on the poorer, smaller states with p oorer education systems, where they only had to influence 77,000 less scept ical people to get Trump over the line.

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Only if you have been brainwashed into distrusting Hillary Clinton.

She clearly has her faults, but she isn't a bird-brain who tweets nonsense more or less nonstop.

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There is a vast difference between being good at getting elected, and being good at politics (the job you are supposed to do once you are elected). Trump is clearly good at getting elected - he even managed it with a minority of the people voting for him, and despite demonstrating absolutely no qualifications for the job.

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I don't think they track all the orbiting objects constantly. They depend on predictability of the path to some extent.

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