First a record powerful typhoon and now a powerful earthquake (6.7) on Hokk aido. The island's Tomari nuclear power plant is using emergency generators but no irregularities have been reported. And that's always a risky propos ition. Geological instability is a predicted consequence of abrupt warming.
Except that it's not, fool.
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okkaido. The island's Tomari nuclear power plant is using emergency generat ors but no irregularities have been reported. And that's always a risky pro position. Geological instability is a predicted consequence of abrupt warmi ng.
Melt enough ice that an ice sheet slides off into the ocean, and the rocks that were being pressed down by the ice sheet rebound.
It happened at the end of the last ice age, and the rebound hasn't stopped yet.
Japan is rather more geologically unstable than most places - think "ring o f fire" and even changes in atmospheric pressure or tidal forces can trigge r an earthquake.
The fool here is krw, not that anybody who post here regularly needs to be told that.
-- Bill Sloman, Sydney
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Hokkaido. The island's Tomari nuclear power plant is using emergency gener ators but no irregularities have been reported. And that's always a risky p roposition. Geological instability is a predicted consequence of abrupt war ming.
s that were being pressed down by the ice sheet rebound.
d yet.
of fire" and even changes in atmospheric pressure or tidal forces can trig ger an earthquake.
e told that.
It works the other way around too, with the extra loading due to sea level rise triggering long dormant seismic activity: Melting ice and sea-level ri se also mean that previously exposed continental margins become inundated w ith water. At the end of the last ice age, the extra load was more than eno ugh to reactivate faults and trigger earthquakes around the rims of all the major ocean basins, some of which are thought to have set off giant landsl ides on the sea floor.
Great imagination but I'll let you die first. Soon please.
on Hokkaido. The island's Tomari nuclear power plant is using emergency ge nerators but no irregularities have been reported. And that's always a risk y proposition. Geological instability is a predicted consequence of abrupt warming.
ocks that were being pressed down by the ice sheet rebound.
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ing of fire" and even changes in atmospheric pressure or tidal forces can t rigger an earthquake.
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el rise triggering long dormant seismic activity: Melting ice and sea-level rise also mean that previously exposed continental margins become inundate d with water. At the end of the last ice age, the extra load was more than enough to reactivate faults and trigger earthquakes around the rims of all the major ocean basins, some of which are thought to have set off giant lan dslides on the sea floor.
Anything that krw doesn't happen to know gets written off as being "imagine d".
Since krw is remarkably ill-informed, this happens quite a lot.
One of these days he's going to confidently step onto a floor that doesn't happen to be there any more, which may have implications for his health. Fr ed Bloggs is clearly going to be more cautious.
-- Bill Sloman, Sydney
Someone is certainly making money on global warming. That may not have been the intention, but it certainly hasn't stopped anyone from benefiting from the result.
"U.S. Government Funding of Climate Change" The 5 min video is a good summary of the situation.
-- Jeff Liebermann jeffl@cruzio.com 150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558
The five minute video is going to be denialist propaganda, pitched at peopl e as gullible as John Larkin. Did you actually watch it?
"CRC has received large donations from pro-fossil fuel groups like Exxon an d the Koch Family Foundations through its Claude R. Lambe Charitable Founda tion.[8] In November 2010, CRC published a report criticizing the Sierra Cl ub for its work in transitioning the US away from coal plants, portraying i t as an attack on "American prosperity."
It's one of the longer established Merchants of Doubt, and got money from t he tobacco industry back when they were trying to deny that smoking damaged people's health.
-- Bill Sloman, Sydney
Of course I watched it, which is why I recommended it as a good summary of the situation.
Is there some reason why I'm expected to discuss the background and funding of the organization behind the web page and video, rather than discussing Federal funding for global warming research? One might think that your comments are a diversion. After all, it was you who claimed "Anthropogenic global warming was discovered, not 'thought up' and it certainly wasn't invented to make anybody more money." Well, the URL I mentioned seemed to indicate that a rather substantial amount of government money is being spent on global warming, which suggests that some individuals, organizations, or companies are making money from this funding.
Perhaps this snippet from the GAO might help swing you back on topic: "Federal funding for climate change research, technology, international assistance, and adaptation has increased from $2.4 billion in 1993 to $11.6 billion in 2014, with an additional $26.1 billion for climate change programs and activities provided by the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act in 2009." That's a rather substantial pile of my tax money spent on global warming. One might suspect that such a large sum could not be budgeted without being 'thought up' and that someone must be enjoying the proceeds from billions of dollars fighting global warming.
-- Jeff Liebermann jeffl@cruzio.com 150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558
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The web-page was transparent fossil carbon industry propaganda. It's openin g paragraph makes this obvious.
"As the nearby ?Short History of Global Warming Fears? expl ains, the idea that mankind?s emissions of carbon dioxide will lead to catastrophic global warming was popularized in 1979 through the ? ?Charney Report. Since then, scientists have failed to find much physical evidence to support the report?s assumptions."
In fact, since 1979 the scientists have found an enormous pile of evidence to support the proposition that anthropogenic global warming is real, and l ikely to lead to inconvenient and expensive changes in the environment.
At that point we didn't have any ice core data from Greenland - which took us back about 130,000 years, right through the most recent ice age - let al one the Antarctic ice core data which eventually took us back some 800,000 years.
Nobody outside of the denialist industry has ever talked about "catastrophi c" global warming. It's effects come on too slowly to qualify as a "catastr ophic".
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People make money from all sorts of situations. The fact that people are cu rrently exploiting the reality of anthropogenic global warming to make mone y out of it isn't any kind of evidence that the phenomenon was "invented" a s a money-making device.
The American Institute of Physics has a web-page on the history of the disc overy of global warming which makes nonsense of that particular conspiracy theory.
It starts with Svante Arrhenius's 1896 paper ... which would make it a very deep-rooted conspiracy.
I'm well aware of the US ethanol-from-corn climate change boon-doggle, but pork barrels go back a long way in US government spending.
It's just more of the US enthusiasm for diverting tax-payer money into the pockets of the rich and well-connected. Global warming isn't the issue here - in this context it's just one more excuse.
The fact that a lot of money is being spent isn't persuasive evidence that it is being misspent, and even poorer evidence that what it is being spent on is something that was "invented" to justify that spending.
Look at the physics sometime. Pushing up the atmospheric CO2 level from 270 ppm (which is roughly where it had been since the end of that last ice age) to it's current 405ppm is pushing up the surface temperature of the earth.
The atmospheric CO2 level is now rising at about 2 ppm per year. It was goi ng up at about 0.6ppm per year in the 1960's when we first started monitori ng it (from 1958). This is about a factor of ten faster than the nearest hi storical parallel (which happened some 55.5 million years ago).
The anthropogenic global warming signal started sticking out above the rand om noise (largely due to ocean currents moving around) in the late 1980's a nd sensible people have been taking it seriously ever since.
Equally sensible (but unfortunately greedy) fossil carbon extraction busine sses having been spending money on creating doubt about the facts for almo st as long.
You were suckered by one of the longer established merchants of doubt.
-- Bill Sloman, Sydney
No, just making money on hard work, of the observe-study-report kind, and such observation, study, and reporting was a fact of life before the current era.
We call ourselves 'h*mo sapiens' because we do stuff like that. Other social species, like wolves, don't do stuff like that; in the US, we call wolves 'endangered species'.
The clickbait 'funding of global warming' article is purported to show that all weather and climate monitoring is somehow enriching 'someone'. It's not clear how a weather monitor network can be called a cost of global warming, though it certainly is worthwhile. And it ought to be no surprise that personnel and equipment for any worthwile enterprise are an expense.
If you ignore the flawed reasoning, "the expense" imight be as great as three cents per day per capita. Heck, that's a lot less impressive than the last bump in my sewage bill.
kkaido. The island's Tomari nuclear power plant is using emergency generato rs but no irregularities have been reported. And that's always a risky prop osition. Geological instability is a predicted consequence of abrupt warmin g.
I don't know that one earthquake constitutes a trend. There were earthquak es before and there will continue to be earthquakes. There is no evidence this has anything to do with global warming. Or do you have other informat ion to support that idea?
Rick C.
Hokkaido. The island's Tomari nuclear power plant is using emergency genera tors but no irregularities have been reported. And that's always a risky pr oposition. Geological instability is a predicted consequence of abrupt warm ing.
akes before and there will continue to be earthquakes. There is no evidenc e this has anything to do with global warming. Or do you have other inform ation to support that idea?
There is evidence that it has to do with sea level rise, which doesn't have to be massive in order to trigger seismic events. http://www.worldwatch.or g/node/4388
Is Manhattan under water yet?
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on Hokkaido. The island's Tomari nuclear power plant is using emergency gen erators but no irregularities have been reported. And that's always a risky proposition. Geological instability is a predicted consequence of abrupt w arming.
hquakes before and there will continue to be earthquakes. There is no evid ence this has anything to do with global warming. Or do you have other inf ormation to support that idea?
ave to be massive in order to trigger seismic events. http://www.worldwatch .org/node/4388
Manhattan has quite a lot of elevation. Submerging all of it would take mor e sea level rise than is likely.
When the Greenland and West Antarctic ice sheets slide off into the ocean t hey will deliver some 10 metres of sea level rise, which would be quote eno ugh to submerge an appreciable proportion of Manhattan.
We don't know when it's going to happen, because the structural changes tha t would trigger the slide are buried under a couple of miles of ice, but it will happen quite fast when it does happen (based on the sea levels rises that happened at the end of the last ice age).
Something to look forward to - unless you are krw, who imagines that the wo rld is as rigidly fixed as his ideas about it.
-- Bill Sloman. Sydney
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) on Hokkaido. The island's Tomari nuclear power plant is using emergency g enerators but no irregularities have been reported. And that's always a ris ky proposition. Geological instability is a predicted consequence of abrupt warming.
rthquakes before and there will continue to be earthquakes. There is no ev idence this has anything to do with global warming. Or do you have other i nformation to support that idea?
have to be massive in order to trigger seismic events. http://www.worldwat ch.org/node/4388
ore sea level rise than is likely.
they will deliver some 10 metres of sea level rise, which would be quote e nough to submerge an appreciable proportion of Manhattan.
hat would trigger the slide are buried under a couple of miles of ice, but it will happen quite fast when it does happen (based on the sea levels rise s that happened at the end of the last ice age).
world is as rigidly fixed as his ideas about it.
154 earthquakes in the past 24 hours 1,020 earthquakes in the past 7 days 4,759 earthquakes in the past 30 days 83,272 earthquakes in the past 365 daysSee for graphics on just how frequent these are:
n Hokkaido. The island's Tomari nuclear power plant is using emergency gene rators but no irregularities have been reported. And that's always a risky proposition. Geological instability is a predicted consequence of abrupt wa rming.
quakes before and there will continue to be earthquakes. There is no evide nce this has anything to do with global warming. Or do you have other info rmation to support that idea?
ve to be massive in order to trigger seismic events. http://www.worldwatch. org/node/4388
"There is evidence" is not at all justification for saying this event was c aused by GW, A or otherwise.
Rick C.
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.7) on Hokkaido. The island's Tomari nuclear power plant is using emergency generators but no irregularities have been reported. And that's always a r isky proposition. Geological instability is a predicted consequence of abru pt warming.
earthquakes before and there will continue to be earthquakes. There is no evidence this has anything to do with global warming. Or do you have other information to support that idea?
't have to be massive in order to trigger seismic events. http://www.worldw atch.org/node/4388
more sea level rise than is likely.
an they will deliver some 10 metres of sea level rise, which would be quote enough to submerge an appreciable proportion of Manhattan.
that would trigger the slide are buried under a couple of miles of ice, bu t it will happen quite fast when it does happen (based on the sea levels ri ses that happened at the end of the last ice age).
e world is as rigidly fixed as his ideas about it.
154 * 7 = 1,078 which is about the same as 1,020 * 4.29 = 4,371 which is less than12 * 4,759 = 57,108 which is less than
According to your numbers, the rate of earthquakes is falling, not rising.
Rick C.
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(6.7) on Hokkaido. The island's Tomari nuclear power plant is using emergen cy generators but no irregularities have been reported. And that's always a risky proposition. Geological instability is a predicted consequence of ab rupt warming.
e earthquakes before and there will continue to be earthquakes. There is n o evidence this has anything to do with global warming. Or do you have oth er information to support that idea?
sn't have to be massive in order to trigger seismic events. http://www.worl dwatch.org/node/4388
ke more sea level rise than is likely.
cean they will deliver some 10 metres of sea level rise, which would be quo te enough to submerge an appreciable proportion of Manhattan.
es that would trigger the slide are buried under a couple of miles of ice, but it will happen quite fast when it does happen (based on the sea levels rises that happened at the end of the last ice age).
the world is as rigidly fixed as his ideas about it.
.Come back when you figure out how to intelligently do computations. You're obviously overlooking the possibility of data fluctuation so that a most re cent 7-day total does not apply all 7-day intervals over a larger time inte rval, etc.
on Hokkaido. The island's Tomari nuclear power plant is using emergency ge nerators but no irregularities have been reported. And that's always a risk y proposition. Geological instability is a predicted consequence of abrupt warming.
thquakes before and there will continue to be earthquakes. There is no evi dence this has anything to do with global warming. Or do you have other in formation to support that idea?
have to be massive in order to trigger seismic events. http://www.worldwatc h.org/node/4388
caused by GW, A or otherwise.
It is caused by global warming insofar as sea level change is caused by glo bal warming.
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