It'll make your blood boil, unless your a lefty

Too simplistic; leadership positions have swapped.

For half a millennium Islam created the science and technology, and it was gradually and grudgingly imported into the stagnant Christian world.

For the last half millennium the Christian world has lead, and the Islamic world has stagnated.

The interesting question is what caused each religion to stagnate and to un-stagnate.

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Ya, but the girls you pictured are wearing those big bathing suits.

Mikek PS. I'm across the bridge, so I have to drive 8 miles to see them. I have often thought about being a photographer. I'd probably need lots of practice to get the shot right. :-)

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amdx

I don't think so at all. Schlichter was merely factually describing rhetoric and invective such as you often use here. The Left hates people, is that not a fact? It sure seems that way.

You've posted pretty hateful things about people you disagree with, de-humanizing them, and ascribing evil motives. That's standard progressive doctrine & m.o..

Socialism, fundamentally, teaches people they have a right to other people's wages and property. It further insists, that this "right" should be enforced by government. That is, by people with guns.

Can you not see how that could lead to conflict? Can you see any way it would /not/ lead to conflict?

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dagmargoodboat

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All that sounds pretty qualitative, and peaked about a thousand years ago.

For some reasons, the English language, and the European+US American science and culture came to dominate.

Yes. Science and technology have dispersed widely into Western societies, which lets more men and women have opportunities to learn and invent things.

Christians tend to not take the Bible absolutely literally, especially the old testament. Western religion is sort of a general-principles thing, and backed off without much of a fight as science and technology replaced apparent miracles.

Possibly western technology was enabled by the large supplies of wood, coal, soil, metals, water, and minerals available in Europe and the USA. The middle east/mediterranean region is really deficient in heavy metals.

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It seems to me that most religions are sort of a set of rules that makes things run smoother, keep people healthy etc. and the religious angle with an all seeing God etc. was just added as a way to explain to and make "the unwashed masses" comply with the rules

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The problem now is that smart people and automation and imports can make more stuff than a modern country needs, and there is decreasing need for classic manual labor. Amazon is killing retail. The next big hit will be self-driving trucks.

To some extent, we need redistribution of some sort. I'd prefer if government would reduce the overhead on labor (FICA, workman's comp, unemployment insurance, corp income tax, all that stuff) so more worker-guy jobs could be supported here. How about a *negative* tax on labor? Even then, we could use more public-works-and-safety sorts of jobs for high-school types, but the unions wouldn't allow that.

Even pretending to work is better than not working.

Times keep changing. Neither Karl Marx's nor Adam Smith's theories can cope with technology. Blame the engineers.

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John Larkin

Well, I suppose the Earth can handle a couple more liters of CO2...

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bitrex

Exactly, I've never seen anyone who never lived as a poor person link that site, for example.

They just say dumb shit like "Just pay cash for your doctors appointments."

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bitrex

I wouldn't push the technology angle too hard, but some of their metallurgy was significantly more advanced than the contemporary European equivalent.

It does /now/. Half a millennium ago that certainly wasn't the case. The flowering of Western science and technology only started after the yoke of medieval Christianity was forcibly discarded.

For a millennium, western Christianity insisted that the ancient Greeks knew everything and described everything perfectly. Woe betide those that disagreed.

Many Muslims aren't particularly dogmatic either.

People are people.

Depends on which Christians you listen to. Some are like that, some very vocal and very well-funded ones most definitely aren't.

There are many intertwined causes and effects. Stating individual causes and effects is like stating what a Rorschach drawing means.

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Tom Gardner

Before CCTV, we had God looking over everyone's shoulder when nobody else was around.

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John Larkin

It's not the left that stockpiles all the guns and obsesses about them. Anyone else who sees that happening and believes the notion "we just want to defend ourselves" is hopelessly naive.

People who build up huge arsenals of weapons are planning to strike with them.

It's what you want the most.

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"Such beings are incalculable, they come like fate without cause or reason, inconsiderately and without pretext. Suddenly they are here like lightning too terrible, too sudden, too compelling and too 'different' even to be hated ... What moves them is the terrible egotism of the artist of the brazen glance, who knows himself to be justified for all eternity in his 'work' as the mother is justified in her child...In all great deceivers a remarkable process is at work to which they owe their power. In the very act of deception with all its preparations, the dreadful voice, expression, and gestures, they are overcome by their belief in themselves; it is this belief which then speaks, so persuasively, so miracle-like, to the audience."

(Friedrich Nietzsche, "The Genealogy of Morals")

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A rather negative part of that culture, which got in the way of quite a few scientific and cultural advancements. Islamic states made similar cultural and scientific advances from about the 10th to the 13th century, and thes e percolated into some Christian states, where they kick-started the renais sance.

The same kinds of religious throttle-bottoms that subsequently killed scien tific and technical advances in Islamic states did their level best to do t he same in Christian cultures. Galileo is an example. The convenient fact t hat Christianity happened to fragment at the right time made it less effect ive as a barrier to change.

And what have public schools and libraries got to do with Christianity? Whe n I was young the more ostentatiously religious politicians spent a lot of time trying to get particular books taken out of public libraries.

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Complete and utter nonsense. Elementary logical fallacy.

People that just happened to be xtians, muslims, Jewish and pagans, created science and technology.

It was not the belief in any religion that *caused* the creation of science and technology.

Of course, some religions actively apposed science and technology contrary to their beliefs.

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And, my, didn't that work out well :)

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Tom Gardner

Medical insurance for US trips always seems insanely overpriced, but the risks of not having it are far too serious to contemplate. Prepaying isn't an option if you are a visitor to the USA.

Dunno. I think you get allocated a surgeon based on the complexity of what has to be done and availability. Even going privately your choice is limited to those surgeons who do private operations outside the NHS (and they are not necessarily the most talented in their field).

There is an ethos of public service for the benefit of society in the UK which seems to be entirely lacking in the USA.

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